I think that’s a bit of an overstatement. I’ve played both (ItO far more than Pantsir) and to be honest the Pantsir practically only has the better radar and 30mm autocannons for self defense over the ItO. (Correct me if I’m wrong but the Crotale is still good enough to see aircraft right when they spawn? So it kind of makes the radar advantage less relevant.)
The Pantsir is definitely better but it’s not the end all be all of Russian bias people make it out to be. What we need is better AA for every nation.
From the perspective of the CAS Its only ever the Pantsirs that require extreme tactics to defeat. Whenever I’ve faced an It0, its pop an AGM or GBU and go about my buissness like its any other SPAA.
Pantsir. Im hard defending, deploying CMs, and employing every tactic I know to deliver multiple weapons onto the target.
When Su25 was added with KH38’s, it was just spawn AA bro.
When Su34 was added with KH38’s, it was just spawn CAP bro.
When Su30 was added with KH38’s (on a highly capable multi role platform), it’s just cope and seethe bro.
Top tier has legitimately never felt more unbalanced. The endless waves of KH38 wiping the entire team is ridiculous. Constant 4/5/6 frag chains in the feed. And even if by some miracle you manage to take whatever variant of Sukhoi it was down - he’s earned enough SP to just respawn in another and the team wipe repeats.
I don’t believe in ‘Bias’, but honestly, I’m at an absolute loss on how I can even play devils advocate for how the snail thought this situation was not only acceptable to create - but to also actively make worse over such a prolonged period of time.
Like playing Israel, honestly, what would the snail have me do? Machbet / Chaparral can do absolutely nothing. They don’t have the range to hit the aircraft, nor do they the ability to intercept. I have games where I spawn Barak/Ra’am to play CAP, and whilst dogfighting Sukhoi’s I have literally been shot down over my own airfield by Pantsirs, meanwhile my own teams rubbish 80’s/90’s AA is powerless to help me.
Ignoring all the calls of bias and the outrage, the simple fact of the matter is, the gameplay is just straight up horrific. It’s not fun. It’s not rewarding. It’s just misery for the sake of misery. Just don’t even look forward to playing WT after work anymore. Certainly not at top tier at least.
If you’re dying to Pantsir running Su-30, F-15E, Rafale, etc then I highly recommend you alleviate your issue with skill.
@Oilydischarge
Gaijin couldn’t see it cause CAS players were genuinely terrible at the game.
AGM-65D/G were always game breaking, but it wouldn’t be until Kh-38 was added when people would finally acknowledge that basic fact.
Always ask yourself, since Kh-38s and AGM-65s were always OP, why is it that massive frag feeds weren’t more commonplace from 2022 - Jun 2024, and the answer really is skill issue.
@TheAceOfAces
“Just spawn CAP.” has been stated since 2022, almost 3 years ago. 2022 was over an entire year prior to Su-25SM3.
Top SPAA hasn’t been able to frag top CAS since Mig-27 and Jag were the most powerful CAS, and even then both out-range all but Pantsir when played correctly.
So instead of “We should give everyone a better SPAA/We should fix map so CAS have a harder time bullying ground vehicle/We should give minor nation more vehicle due to some of their top MBT are not on par or they haven’t received anything new for a while”
We got cherry picking Russia and their vehicle along with period of time when their vehicles are the strongest.
Ignoring that despite the three period being mentioned along with those vehicles, they are not the only one terrorizing ground. CAS still as strong as ever and of course it gonna be an Isreal player. After all only isreal suffer right ? Not like Britain with a top tier line up that borderline unplayable cause their MBT is dogwater and they getting matched with US. Or Japan going through bunch of major update without any new top tier MBT. Surely your nation of choice is suffer and Russia being the one being favoured and all other nations are fine
Not once did I claim or insinuate that only Israel suffers. I was just using them as a lone example as that’s what I mostly play.
Top tier is pretty miserable for everyone right now, for a vast array of both unique and shared reasons.
I am genuinely confused at why you’re directing this at me ? Literally where in my post did I say anything opposed to this?
I am entirely the opposite of what you have bizarrely chose to stereotype me as. I’ve been extremely outspoken on the forums that everyone needs new AA and that we need reworks to how CAS spawns / functions / costs.
Hmmm , idk maybe because you are cherry picking ? Maybe because you wouldn’t talk about it if I didn’t point it out ? Im familiar with your game bro , all you can see is what in front of you instead of the boarder problem. It is always Su30/34 this Pantsir that, it is not about the CAS problem as a whole and other nation lacking actually worth playing vehicle and SPAA.
i play spaa more than i play mbts now instead of the opposite
i spend more time looking at radar spamming air alert command and alt tab watch yt instead of actively play the game
its honestly sad
i cant go 5 minutes without getting kh-38s at my position
killed someone and they just send 3 kh at me
like bro
isnt 1 enough?
my game usually go like this
spawn in my abrams
get 1-3 kills sometimes got a whole 6 kills
get kh-38mt or brimstone
have to spawn in lav or adats
if i dont spawn spaa in i die to cas again
and i cant rely on my teamates(its rare having a good spaa players on my team since its US)
my game now i have more air kills than ground kills
its usually the opposite before this update
Feels like trying to kill a T-55AMD with ATGM launcher, only the ATF-09 has a chance but you have to launch all four missiles and hope the 4th one will get through.
