I do not consider your position on this as serious. I just described how it makes all the difference in the world, haha
with one cap, the american can spawn a great missile slinger. with a cap and a kill, they can spawn a very decent fox3 slinger (an okay flight model and an array of the best fox3 missiles)
MIM is faster than the vikhr almost two-fold
and so can the soviets. Su-30SM is exceptionally good.
and again, I dont think you quite appreciate just how bad the ADATS is, just use the 2S6 if you want one on thej soviets
true. they just lack the “best heli spaa” part of the combo. I just showed you how america can fight CAS with ease
I recognize it as a poor choice against jets, and the best spaa against helicopters
isnt the abrams mantlet bigger? or at least the same size but more obvious
there are also a bunch of accepted bug reports and documentation to buff abrams,
They can fight helis CAS. I dont know if i would describe it as “with ease” but rather they can do what everyone else can except maybe italy, israel and japan.
The weakest top tier heli by far is the Apache, the only none-FnF heli that is even slightly competitive is the Soviet Helis. Vikhrs is the most pwoerful none FnF AGM in the game currently.
Again, barely. Its so large and slow, you are a free kill the millisecond anyone knows you are there. You barely outrange Vikhrs
i meant like from the spaa role
Thats why its weird
I dont find the adats better then the flarak
Also the lack of auto radar lock is pain
And ofc the pantsir is much faster
getting a kill and a cap is mostly trivial, and spamming fox3s is light work, especially against CAS like su-34 (we’re too busy playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ravykEih1rE)
agreed. i still think that ka-52s make for better gameplay because the skill ceiling is higher and I am against gameplay automation, though.
good thing you cannot spot the adats without manually scouring every meter of the battlefield with thermals! additionally, ADATS has more armor and is smaller than the pantsir; in the hulldown position it is also more covered- I think i am repeating myself for the fourth time here.
and this isnt something special for just the US/Britain. All nations can do this.
Though the fact we must spawn in a CAP aircraft ot deal with CAS but other nations like the Soviets dont have to is incredibly annoying and unfair.
Its one shot by everything with ease meanwhile Pantsir is just empty air. I’ve seen too many just survive an AGM-65 or Brimstone because reasons.
Its barely smaller and what hull down positions?
Its so slow that it will always be in the spawn points, so it takes seconds to locate unless you have your eyes closed for some reason.
Though you might never see them because no one bothers bringing them. I know I just use the Stormer HVM at top tier over the ADATS. If I even bother playing top tier at all. With 0 competitive MBTs, 0 competitive light tanks/IFVs and no SPAA. Britain doesnt really have any top tier vehicles worth bringing
agreed. like I said before, they just lack the “best heli spaa” part of the combo.
on the other side, you don’t have to spawn a jet to defeat a competent ka-52.
adats tanks missiles with empty missile racks, while hitting the pantsir there results in death by blast. could be the game shitting itself, i dunno. I tk them a lot, never really encountered issues like what you say.
starting to question whether you have ever faced a competent ADATS player in a helicopter. the pantsir is like 2 times longer and it is also taller. nothing stops an adats from moving away from spawn, and as a tracked vehicle, it has better performance on low speeds, especially in mud. you can easily pop in and out of cover.
how I wish this was true…
Short answer. As the Teapache is an easy kill by any top tier SPAA, and rarely you can get off the heli pad before being shot down. I simply never take the the Teapache. I would if it was more like 11.0. But at 12.0, its just a waste of time and energy.
ADATS vs any CAS, even very weak ones, is just a free kill.
AH.1 can BM light/SPAA with ATASK, it’s the one thing it’s actually good at
as for “best Anti Heli” SPAA, can’t imagine a more pointless accolade
any non heli cas, right?
so quickly the community went from crying about ka-52s to throwing the past experience with them into the memory hole
Honestly. Anything with FnF AGMs will kill you just as easily and I still doubt the ADATS could do much against a switched on Ka-52
Because it’s not relevant
Helis are almost irrelevant
F+F Spike/PARS scrape some relevance and the ADATS fairs about as well as anything else vs AH-60/UHT, and as you say the ADATS is great until you get absolutely smoked by a Kh-38, shame there’s no one playing Su-30/34 these days, surely there’d be complaints if there was :^)
you’ve heard the “ka-52 main’s” opinion on this, and that’s all I can say now. you can either choose to play the adats against helicopters or vice versa—you’ll see how on point I am on this topic. no further reply needed
How I see it, its like this.
Helis make up about 1% of the top tier CAS.
Sure, the ADATS might be more effective than some at killing helis, but its minimal.
The ADATS is useless vs the other 99% of top tier CAS.
Which means that most of the time. Its simply not worth ever spawning in a ADATS because you’ll just be immediately sniped by a KH-38 long ebfore you get a shot off at a KA-52.
Instead, if there is an enemy heli, that hasnt been dealt with by any other SPAA on my team and IF I can afford it, I’ll just bring in the Typhoon and hit it with a Brimstone. Its more effective and I can do more than just shoot down that 1 heli.
As it stands. I simply dont play top tier. Challenger 2, ADATS and Desert Warrior is a useless top tier line-up and I might as well instead just play the Challenger Mk2, Stormer HVM and Desert Warrior, aloing with the Jaguar GR1A if I want to play GRB
if anything the best CAP is france or russia because they have the best ARHs for close-mid range which is what you see in ground RB
Yeah, and the best radars.