His argument when I mentioned some under br vehicles like the magach 5 at 8.0 with m111
His response:
omg the magach 5 is a rare beast bro that’s why its justified
sabra is peper hehe t-72 is braindead op and should oso be 9.7
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Ofc u cant
Yea cuz in full downtier its op but this is compression issue
The M3A3 Bradley has missiles to augment its main gun as well as the ability to fire from protected cover.
It’s a different playstyle.
HSTVL is double the acceleration, over 20% faster top speed, 50% better pen on a 2x heavier round.
HSTVL is better in every way.
@Hudler might be a Soviet main, but even they have stats in the Begleit to compare their 2S38 stats to, and coincidentally they’re similar in KDR and KMR.
2S38 is balanced, HSTVL is balanced, Begleit is balanced.
You can make an argument for missile-equipped IFVs, but claiming HSTVL is anywhere as inferior as 2S38 is arguing myth for the Russian industry.
The only differences are acceleration and penetration, and the penetration difference would matter more if turret rings weren’t 50mm thick.
OP vehicle will always result in higher KDRs for consistent players. ALWAYS.
As a point:
Around 2:1 average vs around 3:1.
And that’s with thinking slightly less in my Jagdpanzer IV matches.
Show me where OTOMATIC uses a 57mm gun, doesn’t have a search radar, doesn’t have high-performing APFSDS… OTOMATIC isn’t a light tank, and the OTOMATIC is its BR because of its APFSDS round and players using the OTOMATIC as anti-tank for so long.
Sabra had nothing for it exept good canon
If u have hard time against sabra its on u
Same with magach 5 it trades fp for having very bad mobility mid to bad armor and no stabilizer
Both of this vehicles are good i ngl but u cherry picking gems when in russia u have few gems in every line up
And 2s38 has good thermals better fire rate and alot of ammo
Also ofc hstvl is better but not 1.4 br diffrance
i am not though
I mean comparing a premium tank that everyone can get for some money and one that you should grind for is brainded, one obviously is going to be bad than the other when it comes to stats.
The Leclerc is my most played tank, and I think you’re wrong about it being “barely competitive”. It is for sure the most skill dependent top tier MBT, but that doesn’t make it bad. It’s incredibly mobile (2nd only to the ZTZ99A which has its own bucket of problems), great reload (2nd to the TKX), great gun handling, and it can aim over the engine deck (which is a pretty big advantage if you get flanked).
Sure it lacks armor and the dart is weak but those are objectively unimportant compared to the aforementioned strengths of the Leclerc.
I’d personally take it over any other top tier MBT.
My Leclerc K/D is higher than both my Strv 122B or my T-80BVM K/D, and I agree with @MademoiselleSXXI
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Fire rate and ammo count which only really matter for aircraft at the speeds these vehicles reload. Ammo capability matters FAR more for tanks than ammo count, ask 16 round bringers how they know.
And yes the HSTVL is double acceleration, that alone is arguably 0.7 BR difference: BT-7M vs BT-5.
HSTVL is the fastest tracked vehicle in-game.
HSTVL fires the 2nd or 3rd best ammo of the auto-lights [best ammo in 1 and/or 2 slot goes to the Italians].
And HSTVL is the 2nd smallest turreted vehicle above the BR of 10.0, smallest goes to RDF/LT.
Result of playing most vehicles at that BR and knowing their capabilities.
Magach 5 actually have better mobility than T-54s.
Having no stabilizer is common at 8.0 though.
The Olifant Mk.1A is 8.3 and is stabilized with the same round while having similar mobility to the Magach 5, I think the Magach 5 is okay at 8.0 and it’s just an issue with compression since the M60 shares the same BR.
There are a lot of tanks in game that benefit from compression (Chieftain Mk.5, T-72B obr. 1989, etc), and the Magach 5 is one of them.
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Funny enough is 99% of the time every missile that’s against Pantsir is slow, so it gets alot of time to intercept.
Best SPAA that can intercept KH38 which is a Russian missile is a Russian SPAA. What a joke!
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UK is filled with sleepers. They have 8.0 MBT with full stabilization, 105mm APDS and 5s reload which is very strong on it’s own. There’s a lot of compression here, of course.
the problem is 4 round ready rack
Vickers has more than 4 rounds in first stage.
except one
The Vickers Mk.1 has an 11 round ready rack. But the issue with it is mostly the mobility which is pretty mediocre for the paper thin armor you get. Then again I haven’t played it in well over a year and a half and so my stats in it are quite poor.
well my Ariete K/D also way higher than Strv 122 B+ as well but i still can say Ariete is sht
Leclerc is kinda OK tank in General and have lot of potential as well if Gaijin care to model it right but right now in current state?
it not 12.0 worthy compared to something like T-80BVM and Unarmored Leopard because gun mantlet can are big and easily become death zone (Leopard 2 have this problem as well but lot lot smaller) and OFL 120 F1 (Aka DM43) kinda lackluster and 5sec reload is not something so special anymore since Abrams can fire better round and can have 5sec reload too plus better armor overall.
The Abrams does fire a better round, but to get the 5 second reload you need the aced crew which the 99% majority of Abrams players don’t have (coming from experience). Leclerc gets 5 second reload by default because of the autoloader.
And the armor on the Abrams really only helps when hull down, the hulk and turret ring are paper. The Abrams has really terrible survivability too, especially now after the turret ring change which the Leclerc did not get.
And compared to the T-80BVM and Leopard 2 the Leclerc is a lot more mobile and reloads quicker.
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