Because without the Pantsir it wouldn’t be jsut two steps back to when the f-16s just did what the su-34s and su30s do today?
Certainly doesn’t help in the overall picture that one nation has this combination of strong cas and aa capabilites, I’m certainly not a fan of gaijin introducing the Pantsir which outclasses every other spaa by miles but remove them and you just hand the title and absolute dominance to the next contenders, most likely US and france, unless you remove their long range standoff a2g agms with it. And those actually have this ordinance on strong fighter platforms
What are you gonna do playing top tier japan, israel or gb about two f16s up wiping your whole team?
Right, it’s just gonna be the same situation but different offender
Don’t get me wrong, I definitely think Pantsir was OP initially, and it should have never been added in the first place (They literally had the Tor already modelled for CN, why didn’t they just give them that?)
But solely because Pantsir was added, we’ve seen a never ending CAS arms race, entirely justified on the basis of ‘we need X to counter Pantsir’.
Now we find ourselves at a point, where Pantsir is no longer OP. It’s what’s necessary to counter the things that itself caused to be added. It raised the bar, CAS rised to the challenge, and every other AA was left in the dust.
So it’s okay for just one nation to be able to completely lock down the airspace in a match, so that only their team can deploy aircraft? You gotta be taking the piss here. Before the abomination known as Pantsir came in everyone was equally screwed by top tier CAS, at least. Not one nation beforehand could go; " Lol. Lmao even. " and completely take over the airspace.
Was it balanced beforehand? No. but at least EVERYONE got to deploy their CAS and CAP to try and do something. At least back then I could deploy a fighter and try to protect my team’s tanks, let alone deploy CAS, then the Pantsir came in and completely ruined that.
Yet NATO still doesn’t have armaments that can actually counter the Pantsir, and some of what could be used that are in-game are artificially gimped so Gaijin’s precious golden nation doesn’t have too hard time winning their matches.
True. Sry, i edited my post too late to make clear that i certainly dislike the imbalance of top tier spaas for nations especially with the addition of the pantsir.
Just feels like if you would hypothetically remove the Pantsir AND the KH-38s then air dominance would just shift back over to US, since no other nation can bring a combination of such an amount of “numbers of uncontested” ground kills anwhere on the map with some of the best fox 3s on very capable fighter platforms. Except for france.
Not having the SP to spawn a fighter playing japan, israel, gb or italy and you might as well just leave the match or sit on a cap and smoke for the rest of the match. Without the Pantsir you could probably add russia to those nations as well.
These days top tier fighters and their armaments are quite close in competitiveness to eachother, so everyone has equal odds of success running CAP.
Or, they would, if the Pantsir didn’t exist. Because it does, the team that fights Russia in top tier ground combined can’t run CAP, let alone CAS, to try and win their matches. They’re essentially grounded to mostly middlin’ tanks that are poorly modeled and poorly implemented fighting Russian tanks that are overperforming, let alone that oftentimes it’s Russia, Germany and Sweden fighting everyone else. So you got the top 3 best MBTs in the game fighting everyone else coupled with complete airspace dominance thanks to Russia; It’s all just insult to injury and there’s zero point to even playing top tier if you’re not running Russia, Germany or Sweden.
Granted I’ve not played the Rafale, so cannot comment personally on them, but I hear the Hammers are a real nasty piece of kit.
Idk which regions servers you’re plaing on but i can happily inform you that in the last couple of weeks I’ve been playing with or against a lot of US teams that have been absolutely wiping the battlefield. even against Russia/germany or sweden. And I’m playing france without fixed wing cap, german without fixed wing cap or russia without fixed wing cap (simply because i don’t have them researched yet) and solo, not in a squad.
Those players (a lot of them with chinese nicknames) must know something we or you don’t? Or the players playing france with top tier winrates similar to those top 3 nations with the best mbts?
I’ve heard the same aswell as that they’re not as good as they are IRL. It’s good for the Frenchies that they have something to work with, though.
So when Russia does well it’s obvious bias but when America does well it’s because they’re better at the game?
Or they’re cheating. Anyhow it is very important to always have an explanation or reason ready as to why others are seemingly always better. Makes for better reasoning why you’ve been killed again and why the other team (obviously) won again. One thing’s for certain: It’s never your own fault. Big plus is also: Takes away the pressure and the need to improve
US doesnt suffer at all,all these were at 11.7/12.7 as i had F-16C in lineup
You would cry about Ka-52 then if those get removed lmao. Or BVMs armor.
I guess he doesn’t realize that the best way to make a game less successful is to not play it or buy things in it
Not only he’s giving money to the company he thinks is biased and fueled by propaganda, he’s also buying those bias machines with fictional armor, basically giving Gaijin a thumbs up for all their work.
I guess that the average consumer nowadays don’t really know what “voting with your wallet” means. No wonder we have mid tier GPUs going for 800 euros.
Awwww how cute, you cried to a mod. I live rent-free in your heads. Adorable.
Anyways.
Again, tell me you didn’t actually read what I typed without telling me you didn’t actually read what I typed.
honestly id argue 2s6 is as good as ADATS in a top tier environment, both have about the same effective range while, ADATS is a bit better against planes and helis but only works like 1/2 the time when there arent any cloulds, while 2s6 is a lot better at intercepting incoming missiles and can work in bad weather
ADATS is about the same, might be a bit more manuverable but you cant tell where your missile is
at least it can lock from 3rd person, with ADATS you need to go into the sights and spam lock to try to find it, on top of only being able to lock most missiles around 3km out when there arent clouds, I have only managed to intercept anything like once in ADATS
the one big advantage for ADATS is no launch warning if they dont have MAWs but ive found I can hear the missile and dodge in time in anything except f15e
Wondering here, is the MAWS the warning triggered by the radio commands used to guide the missile (IRST search and lock obviously doesnt trigger anything) but as soon as sam is launched and guided towards you it triggers or is that something else, additional? Like detecting missile launch → Warning unrelated to the guidance commands? Or is it that? picking up the radio commands and rwr is just the radar search and lock detection?
IIRC ADATS doesnt trigger RWR launch warnings
MAWS is using either IR sensors or small radars to detect incoming missiles