It also has a 5 second autoloader and 15 degrees of gun depression, and is 2 BR steps lower
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If only sandy El Alamein was common for that gun depression. ;)
I don’t think gun depression has ever been notable for BRs; Situational positions sure, but not BRs.
I can’t comment on reload at 8.3ish cause I’ve never seen it used at that fire rate.
It’s still an advantage and like any advantage, it can influence a BR. The SU-122P would probably be a higher BR if it had 15 degrees of depression instead of 2, for example.
It’s invariably the best for guns of the same/similar caliber (at the BR, that is). Even 90mm guns like on the MARS 15 or M48 take longer to load.
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True, considering most others have 6.7s reload capped at that BR, having 5s autoloaded reload speed is huge. This alongside stabilization is one of the reasons why 8.0 Vickers is so good.
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It’s certainly not.
And a 30mm coaxial
Get the west to do the same effort as the Russians or Suggest more weapons.
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Just delete kh and pantsir Russia win 30% I don’t see how their tanks are good compared to the other except a little armor in plus.la Russia has nothing except their kh38 and the pantsir that empties the sky by itself.
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Ok, usa main.
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Pretty sure prior to those two , US main been crying about literally everything that the Russian have. You will simply crawl back to other stuff to complain about and just to remind you. The Russian WR prior to those two wasn’t sub 50%. Unlike certain nation.
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I’m fine with Pantsir, because CAS has gotten so crazy that this thing, despite being astronomically better than what anyone else gets, has come to represent what is now the bare minimum of what’s required. We shouldn’t be removing it, we should be letting everyone else catch up to it.
KH38 on the other hand… how this thing was not only greenlit, but subsequently added to increasingly capable platforms, knowing literally no one can counter it, continues to be one of the most indefensible series of balance decision’s I’ve ever seen in this game.
I’m beyond exhausted of watching Su30/34’s get 4/5/6 frag chains in the feed every minute or two. No singular thing has ever put me off playing top tier like these things do. Ignoring all the ‘my toys vs their toys’ and ‘bias’ arguments I care little for, they’re just the ultimate depiction of fun at the expense of others. Their presence in battles is a negative one. They take more away from gameplay than they add. Truly an awful addition.
KH29s were/are perfectly potent enough. There was zero need for us to end up here.
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My favorite part was when Gaijin LITERALLY SAID that CAS was way too strong at top tier, yet continued to add the Su-34 and Su-30 with KH-38MTs.
Oh and the Rafale and Mirage 200D-RMV.
Gaijin essentially admitted that they don’t care about balance between CAS and tanks at top tier anymore.
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Yeah and we should do something about the whole CAS situation, not just remove Pantsir this remove KH-38 that. The problem goes so goddamn deep into the GRB. Arguably it is the worst problem out of every problem that exist in GRB
This. But well i guess that’s been the state of top tier ground rb since. idk…years ago. first it was the mig 27s and similar planes from other nations being able to just position in the radar coverage blindspots above the battlefield before the addition of contrails and absolutely cancerous ka50/mi28 rushes before the nerf of the S-13OF unguided rockets that oneshot everything if your team failed to bring aa at the start of the match. Then to battle that introduce contrails and nerf the s-13OF but nerf sam and missile guidance along with it to a more realistic behaviour (which is fine, guiding 8 vikhrs at once with a laser like 8 pearls on a string was hilarious af). Doesnt help much tho if all planes can pull harder and for much longer than their irl counterparts.
Then it’s immune- from stingers su25s and f16s being so fast its basically impossible to hit them with sams before the launch all their agm56d mavericks doing basically what the su30s and su-34s do today.
Just feels like cas has alwas been one step ahead of anything that was in game to battle it from the ground. And the second it got nerfed or adjusted ground vehicles got nerfs along with it. Combine that with less cover, half the maps in top tier being tiny af (like, not one spawn inside a forest, vegetation mostly gone, either in a bowl or just in plain sight more often than not from enemy spawn or its close proximity) makes for the top tier gameplay we have today.
And while for me, more or less balanced cas always was and should be part of ground rb otherwise it would just be -push 500 m to 1 km into one of the three positions to control the map hull or tank down and deny the wole enemy team access to the map and the objectives- at least on open maps.
that disbalance really puts it off, resulting in the -rush one cap and kill a guy or scout two to then wipe the whole map meta. Which unless you manage to deny that to the enemy team makes half the matches in top tier just pointless to play.
The Pantsir never should’ve been added until equal competitive SPAA for other nations was added. The addition of that abomination completely neutered NATO’s ability to run CAS and CAP at top tier, with the addition of the legitimately not existing IRL KH-38 to be used COMPLETELY UNOPPOSED.
Both additions were not only catastrophic for gameplay balance but completely blatant examples of the ongoing Russian Bias in the game. Neither are defensible by any stretch and Gaijin deserves nothing but the strongest condemnation for what they have done.
Because without the Pantsir it wouldn’t be jsut two steps back to when the f-16s just did what the su-34s and su30s do today?
Certainly doesn’t help in the overall picture that one nation has this combination of strong cas and aa capabilites, I’m certainly not a fan of gaijin introducing the Pantsir which outclasses every other spaa by miles but remove them and you just hand the title and absolute dominance to the next contenders, most likely US and france, unless you remove their long range standoff a2g agms with it. And those actually have this ordinance on strong fighter platforms
What are you gonna do playing top tier japan, israel or gb about two f16s up wiping your whole team?
Right, it’s just gonna be the same situation but different offender
Don’t get me wrong, I definitely think Pantsir was OP initially, and it should have never been added in the first place (They literally had the Tor already modelled for CN, why didn’t they just give them that?)
But solely because Pantsir was added, we’ve seen a never ending CAS arms race, entirely justified on the basis of ‘we need X to counter Pantsir’.
Now we find ourselves at a point, where Pantsir is no longer OP. It’s what’s necessary to counter the things that itself caused to be added. It raised the bar, CAS rised to the challenge, and every other AA was left in the dust.
So it’s okay for just one nation to be able to completely lock down the airspace in a match, so that only their team can deploy aircraft? You gotta be taking the piss here. Before the abomination known as Pantsir came in everyone was equally screwed by top tier CAS, at least. Not one nation beforehand could go; " Lol. Lmao even. " and completely take over the airspace.
Was it balanced beforehand? No. but at least EVERYONE got to deploy their CAS and CAP to try and do something. At least back then I could deploy a fighter and try to protect my team’s tanks, let alone deploy CAS, then the Pantsir came in and completely ruined that.
Yet NATO still doesn’t have armaments that can actually counter the Pantsir, and some of what could be used that are in-game are artificially gimped so Gaijin’s precious golden nation doesn’t have too hard time winning their matches.
True. Sry, i edited my post too late to make clear that i certainly dislike the imbalance of top tier spaas for nations especially with the addition of the pantsir.
Just feels like if you would hypothetically remove the Pantsir AND the KH-38s then air dominance would just shift back over to US, since no other nation can bring a combination of such an amount of “numbers of uncontested” ground kills anwhere on the map with some of the best fox 3s on very capable fighter platforms. Except for france.
Not having the SP to spawn a fighter playing japan, israel, gb or italy and you might as well just leave the match or sit on a cap and smoke for the rest of the match. Without the Pantsir you could probably add russia to those nations as well.