That’s why it’s in the list. America / Germany’s 6.7 lineups have been dominant as hell for years.
They just needa redo it’s turret model. It’s certainly not worth of 7.0, but making it’s turret not a volumetric black hole would make it more balanced.
It will. Because both are super heavies balanced around having incredible armor but completely lacking in other areas. The KV-220 has a poor gun, while the Black Prince has no mobility. If the stars align and those two very rare tanks end up matched up against each other, the Black Prince will likely win (Except when the 17 pounder APDS decides it doesn’t feel like doing damage).
But what makes them balanced is the fact that the KV-220 has totally usable mobility (actually about equal to the incredibly OP T1E1 you keep banging on about, outside the reverse speed), meaning it’s far more flexible, and less vulnerable to being overwhelmed. Basically, if you encounter a BP in the KV-220, you can just kinda… leave.
Also, saying the BP has “great rounds” is kinda overselling the 17 pounder. It was great at 4.7, good at 5.3 (With APDS), pretty average at 6.0. Especially on something as slow as a BP. The full caliber shell is about on par with the Panthers, but without any HE filler, while the APDS is very inaccurate, especially at range, has inconsistent spalling, and shatters at the drop of a hat. It’s not a bad gun for the tier, but it’s hardly exceptional.
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APDS isn’t as bad as it once was, it hardly ever shatters now.
As for trying to retreat in KV-220… 3.8 mph gets you no where, and you have to be doing about 16 mph to turn effectively in the KV-220.
Like 9 games In a row I’ve done terrible in the 220 and it’s not a skill issue. Most games I magically run into the perfect counter to me, but out of the 9 games I only scored 1 kill, and 12 deaths. In no way is the Kv-220 6.0 material, I’d rather take the T-V, far faster, better turret drive, better round, smoke grenades, etc.
To wrap up, BP and T1E1(90) are too strong for their brs, and given my previous suggestion to bump up all the 6.7 USA & German heavies, the BP would fit nicely as a 6.3
It also need a redo of it’s hull model, the lfp’s damage model still doesn’t match the visual model
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That is why You aim at cupola instead of mg
By the time a BP arrives at a battle, half the team is already dead.
Who is gonna get more kills? A BP with 18kph and 7.1hp/t or a KV-220 with 85mm APHE and the hp/t of a medium tank.
1 vs. 1s are irrelevant for a vehicles performance.
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The first one on the roof bounced, so I didn’t think it was gonna do anything.
I’m assuming I was too low of angle to hit it correctly. Not because of terrain, merely because the KV-220 isn’t tiger or M6a1 height
1 v1s happen quite often. But my point was, he could pretty much pen me anywhere, and had to pixel hunt. It doesn’t help the recent sale brought them back in mass.
It’s not about that. It’s the idea that a tanks ability are somehow worse because it’s compared to another tank.
Compare them against every other opponent and see who comes out on top.
But such scenarios are very difficult because maps and mobility play into that.
Small map and the BP becomes a lot more effective when it doesn’t need to drive forever to meet an enemy.
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You need to compare vehicles to justify br. Even against mediums, and even some light tanks the KV-220 is kinda bad. Why? Because its breech area is extremely weak, it has semi poor turret traverse and gun depression, with a longer reload than it should, and lastly it turns very poorly unless your going about 2/3 your max speed.
It is not 6.0 material. It cannot kill pretty much any 6.7 or 7.0, unless it’s a light tank.
Doesn’t have to, just aim better.
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I think this entire post is just stupid. I mean the kv-220 has spots in which it is better than some 6.0s and spots in which is worse than some 6.0’s we can sit here and point out all day that it has slightly worse this or slightly better that, but at the end of the day its performing around the same as every other 6.0 tank or 6.7 tank and then comparing tanks to a full uptier is a bad example saying a 6.0 kv-220 cant do anything at 7.0 isnt a brilliant point when neither can any of the other 6.0 tanks do well at 7.0. You don’t seem to understand that tanks are going to inherently not be equal even at the same br because they dont all have the exact same stats except for the 86 different chaffees in the game.
Every BR by nature will have a top tank and a worse tank, but that doesn’t mean you can just raise the top tank to a br where its useless and lower the bottom tank to a br where it seal clubs to balance a br it will just create a new strongest and weakest tank in the br’s that get shifted around.
For example the Is-4m isnt very good at its BR its at best mediocre but that doesn’t mean we can slap down in br because then it goes from being a slightly bad to mediocre tank that can work if you put in the effort to being a no brain seal clubbing machine that anyone can use.
Same with things like the nuclear soviet tank. In fact the soviet nuclear tank was argued all the time it should stay at its br because it wasnt that overpowered since all of like two tanks could penn it and if it got uptiered then everyone could penn it. It didn’t matter that two tanks could in theory defeat it the thing was seal clubbing everyone else at the br and got moved up so instead of being a braindead club machine it just took a bit more skill to get results out of.
Personally outside of the 10.0+ range I think the game is rather balanced with the exception of the 8.0 spaa issue and 6.7 6.0 whatever the hell you call it now is the same exact line up as 5.7 was two years ago its all the same tanks facing each other even after all the br moves because its a well balanced br.
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Let’s prove your claim, you must have a Black Prince / KV-220.
Instead of trying to say “aim better” pixel hunting isn’t an easy task. Especially since I play on controller.
I’d rather play the T-34-85 > the KV-220, merely because mobility / turret traverse. Armor is worse, but I can actually advance and don’t have to rely on armor.
And that’s the problem with the KV-220 you have to HEAVILY rely on the armor which is hit or miss, probably due to a really old model. The 85mm is lack luster at 6.0 especially when you only have BR-365.
It’s like playing the 5.7 tiger at 6.0 with worse mobility, but your gun mantle is far weaker, aka meaning it gets taken out a lot. I’m pretty sure even a 37mm from a Stuart can cripple it.
Comparing a tank to a tank of a similar br / similar type and its performance is a great way to determine how good a vehicle is.
I have both
I don’t see a yes / no.
Yeah maybe at that br its an ok tank but once again you can personally prefer the mobility and turret traverse over the armor of the kv-220 all you want it doesn’t make it a better tank, I prefer the mobility of the type 16 over the penn on the round of the tkx P doesnt mean the type 16 is a better tank than the tkx p. Once again what you are not understanding is there is always going to be a worse or better tank at the same br and the kv-220 performs well at 6.0 if you uptiered the thing would be useless if you down tier it the thing would seal club. Not every tank can be the best tank some of them just have to be mid or slightly bad.
Who said it had to be the best? It just has to be a balanced. That’s all I’m seeking.
lol. Good thing 6.0 is 90% 6.7 games… “preforms well” sure……
The Kv-220 is so bad now, it’s as rare as an E100 on the battlefield
M4a3E2 is 5.7
Tiger 1 5.7
T1E1 5.7
Etc
That’s not how it works. The KV-220 is inherently better in downtier because it’s much more difficult to kill than a T-34-85, while the T-34-85 gives more consistent performance in both up and downtiers.
A more mobile tank has a better chance to kill a better armored opponent by getting to its side than a less mobile tank.
But even then it’s often a trade-off between survivability and risk and reward.
The KV-220 simply outperforms the T-34-85 completely at 5.7.
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To what?
I’m proving my claim, I have both of them.
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