Yes when it’s stock it’s bad, like most vehicles.
That’s why, in this context, you’re using an expert crew / ace crew and have it spaded.
The T92 is really good in hilly terrain, but decent in flat terrain.
Yeah, but since it isn’t that fast, it can’t do that much on city maps. You can’t pull off crazy flanks or anything, so I tend to just get destroyed on city maps. Idk, maybe I’m playing it wrong, I tend to use it with more of a medium tank style gameplay focusing on positioning
Meanwhile, your intial reasoning for pushing it up relied upon a stabilizer and gun you had imagined it had. When disproven, you then resorted to throwing up it’s other advantages against the 5.7s, while ignoring the weaknesses that make it balanced, and say “Well, it still needs to go up”.
If the rest of the advantages it had the whole time made it a 6.0 candidate, why didn’t you propose it should go to 6.3 or higher when you thought it had a stabilizer and a long 90mm equivalent gun?
I’m wracking my brain, trying to think of tanks that can resist the 85mm but cannot resist the 90mm. I listed the obvious ones above already, and it’s a very short list.
At best, the extra pen and angled performance means it’s more forgiving of bad shots, and it’s easier to punish tanks which misplay by over angling. Also, you can snipe with it a bit more, not that you should be in either tank.
Hey, that’s my line.
You are seriously underangling the KV-220 in your screenshot. It has equal front and side armor on the hull, you want to be at or around 45 degrees to your enemy at all times.
Sidenote, I don’t know why the LFP is in green, as it’s ~220mm thick at it’s weakest
As for the turret, pointing at the tiny, pixel wide weakspot on the sides of the turret and pretending it’s a consistent shot is pretty laughable. Doubly so if the KV-220 is waggling the turret, which you should always be doing to make shots on the cupola harder.
“6.0 heavies” is a funny way of saying “The Tiger E”. Also the Black Prince, I guess, but that one is balanced so strangely it’s not a fair comparision.
But, in comparison to the Tiger E, it’s only marginally more mobile (Tiger E has 12.2 hp/t and a higher top speed), it has an arguably equal gun (trading a bit of pen and angled performance for overpressure potential), and it has effectively zero armor in comparison. Sure, the T1E1 is better in soft stats (gun handling, depression), but that’s basically it.
Perhaps a better comparison is the M36B2. You have the same gun, with more mobility, a larger ready rack and better gun handling. Both lack any useful armor, and so must be played as though they have none. The difference is the M36B2 gets a HEATFS round, which is very useful at 5.7, along with being much smaller and easier to hide, while the T1E1 gets a better reverse gear, more trollish armor (That cannot be relied upon, and thus only pays out when you make a mistake) and immunity to strafing. Also a 37mm of dubious usefulness.
Sounds to me like it’s broadly equivalent to another 5.7 vehicle in ability, and that it’s balanced at 5.7.
- I thought it had the stab.
- I understand it’s weaknesses vs pros. It’s 6.0 worthy, but not really 6.3
- I haven’t changed my original argument, bar removing the “it has a stab” unlike most people, I actually am agreeable, and take fact, so when an undisputed fact arrives, and I check it to be true, I accept it.
Common enemies? Panthers, Jumbos (technically you can with the 85mm frontally but it is so hit or miss), some tds.
Not really. That angling works well.
And I’ve been killed in the turret side odd spot by the 90 a few times now…
But for the T1E1 idk I’ve lived a lot more stuff than I should’ve. But then also got 1 tapped by a puma… somehow…
I did kill a few light spgs and spaas earlier with the 37mm after they broke my main gun lol.
Why do I compare it to the Kv-220? I recently got it, and it doesn’t live up to the hype. It’s not as good as the T1E1 but is a higher br.
It does have a 5.0 sec reload aced, and 35 mph forwards speed.
If you bush it up, it’s a complete menace
So, I’m to believe that you don’t consider having a stablilizer to be worth a 0.3 BR increase? Because I don’t know what else I am to take from this. You proposed 6.0 when you thought it had a stabilizer, then learned it didn’t, and yet still believe it’s worth 6.0?
That’s also leaving aside this bit:
And this
When it’s just… the same short 90mm as all other US tanks around that tier.
The American 90mm is incapable of UFP a Panther (despite historical evidence it could with the T33 AP shell), and the turret is an equally volumetric hellscape for the both of them, so the 85mm and 90mm have identical killing power against a Panther.
This isn’t much of an advantage, considering the only one the T1E1 can see is the French 75mm variant, which is very rare in my experience. Also, as I said previously, the 85mm can also do this, just closer, and with less angle.
Would those TDs happen to be the same two I listed (SU-85M/SU-100)? Because if so, I’m not sure you’re exactly disproving my point that the advantage in pen is not as impactful as the numbers suggest. Also, outside the Chinese SU-100, the KV-220 doesn’t face those targets.
I literally showed you better angling that makes you immune to the short 90mm, and your response is “Well, my way still works”?
No point responding to the rest of it. Personal experience versus personal experience. It’s why I don’t base my opinions on how a tank feels, I base it on how it actually is.