And it’s lack of stab, poor armour against APFSDS, and bad mobilty. At minimum it should be 8.7, but 9.0 would most likely be too high without decompression, same with the Turm III.
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Poor armor to APFSDS is a bit funny, the collar of the turret, and many bits of the turret will eat early APFSDS. The hull might on occasion.
It’s “lack of a stab” really isn’t that bad due to the oscillated turret. Sure it’s not as good as a stabilizer, but in no way, is it bad or a negative.
I would, any day of the week, take a T58, over a Turm III.
And yes I agree decompression is needed regardless.
But allowing it to bully 7.3s, 7.7s, 8.0s, and 8.3s constantly is unacceptable.
Still much better than yours though, at least he has the stat to back up his claims, you on the other hand…
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I’ve bounced shots from long 88, 17pdr, and that french up gunned M4A4 thing many times. Volumetric being a b**** is nothing new for cast hulls. Even then, the T58 is extremely tame as far as trolley volumetric goes.
Lol 🤣
No you just do not understand a well written response.
Theres the issue, grammatically its sound, you cannot roll around insulting folks expecting them not to challange you on it, i apologise if you cannot read English, maybe not your native tongue or some such issue.
We’ve plural told you that it’s
- not armoured enough.
- not mobile enough
- not stabilised
- lacking shell types
Theres more than just no stabilizer being said, like i previously stated you are objectively ignoring fact because your experience with the vehicle.
Got a source there bud? Any actual evidence to provide or just heresay?
Ztz 59D1
Stabilizer, dart, era ,.laser range finder , more mobile.
Only negative turret traverse.
8.3
8.7 you have the likes of amx32 but specifically brenus, strong dart, thermals, LRF era soaks all the ammos fired by the T58 as well as excellent mobility in comparisson.
8.7 M60 Rise , again era prevents the utilisation of t58 ammo, stab, dart, thermals, and better overall mobility.
Object 140 8.7 now - strong apds can punch through all T58 armour bar specifically turret ring.
Stabilised.
More.mobile.
14.5mm hmg.
Access to more effective ammos.
There’s lists of tanks at 8.7 better than it.
Never mind 9.0
You do realise i do believe it has to move up to 8.7 though right?
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Honestly, I have been having a field day with it. My nuke with the Type 60 included me killing about 4 T-58s. Its a good vehicle, but not overpowered by any means.
Naive is definitely an insult in this context. You’re implying he knows absolutely nothing about something. Its honestly rare to find it used genuinely and innocently. Considering you think that the T58 is overpowered and he says it is not, you’re essentially saying “You are defending it for a unimaginable reason or you don’t know anything.”
And considering you then go on to insult him again,
I’d say it was definitely an insult in that context.
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Exactly 😂
It could do with being 8.7 to be fair, not 9.0 though.
By all definition of the word, and the contextual use. It in fact was used as a way to undermine my opinion or insult my intelligence / knowledge of the subject.
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@Zulizia
I never said the T58 is un-killable but, it lives a lot of penetrating hits, and is a very hard tank to kill, matching the Obj.279 I’m survivability, but with even more lethality bar a stabilizer.
Saying factually he’s a teacher, and he’s a poor one, is a fact, not an insult. It will come off as you read it, but it was not, and still, is not an insult.
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Your response was never well written. You’re talking to someone who passed all English classes with a 3.89 average in English, in college.
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You can plurally (this is the word you were looking for Mr. English teacher) Tell me anything, but it means nothing when it isn’t based in fact.
The forward mobility isn’t bad by any means, most heavy tanks that are very well armored for their brs are generally very slow. The T58 goes 22 mph, Maus (I think) 12.7 mph? The Black Prince is somewhere around the maus. All much lower than the T58 at their brs. -
No stab, no problem.
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No, I don’t have screenshotted evidence, I don’t like to take pictures of sheepole of WT. but I can if you’d like.
It’d be fine at 8.7, I agree. But it is definitely not overpowered by any metric.
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Okay, your point being ? The response was written perfectly fine.
Your English barely sits at a C1 level for written responses.
The fact you have no idea how good or bad of a teacher I am , yet chose to insult me over it shows your caliber.
Especially once you’ve already been told twice by two people that the context in which you used naive was in an insulting manner.
Based on fact, not in it.
So I’ll break it down.
We have is the referal use of the word plural dumby.
I don’t mean the list was pluralised I mean the use of “we’ve” was pluralised to signal that more than one person aka me has responded to you.
We first-person pronoun used to refer to a group of people that includes the speaker or writer. Aka we have.
You again prove you don’t understand written English.
No stab is in fact a problem
…it is what keeps the amx30B2 and brenus at 8.7
He didn’t understand .
That the written form :we’ve, is plural refering to the group of people.
Plural was added to significy the fact it is in fact a group of people.
Not my singular comments.
Then the list in singular form of negatives the tank has.
Im a profesor en titular, which is university level btw so I know I’m a good tutor 😂
Edit as has been said multiple times, by almost everyone the T58 could move to 8.7 and be comfortable, 9.0 would kill it.
Skill issue.
Hell no
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This topic is just move up all nations and move down to idiotic low BRs russian tanks.Is a nonsense.
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Just ignore him, i have both tanks and the Obj. 279 is leagues above the T58 when comparing their effective armor values and turret post-pen survivability. He also loves to talk about his K/D (which is also going down lol) with the T58… still, in my opinion, the tank is too strong for 8.3.
They should just fix the hull and turret armor, which are underperforming, and increase it’s BR to 8.7. If the tank remains broken, increase the BR to 9.0 and give it it’s shock absorber system (I assume it’s similar to the ones used on the AMX 50 series, which are currently missing in-game), kinda like a vertical stab that works up to ~10-15km/h.
Edit: the HEAT round is also underperforming.
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TL;DR
I never insinuated you said it was un killable.
TL;DR
Where are you from again? Your English is very improper, compared to what I’ve been taught. Also, please say what you like, it doesn’t render what I’ve factually told you to be untrue.
Also, again, for the last time, since you either have poor memory or cannot read what I’ve written:
Edit: your a professor at the university level… uh huh… sure… i definitely believe that.
T-58:
Pros:
2.6 load time
406mm collar, with good all around armor
40° a sec turret traverse
Great ammo choices
Great survivability
Rangefinder
AA HMG
-8 gun depression
Cons:
22 mph max speed.
Poor reverse of -3 mph.
Wow.
So bad
Edit: the more people that disagree, the more I am correct it needs a nerf, because people like to abuse OP tanks
Alright I will clip and post the next time I get hit with 5+ penetrating hits and living.
If you see it that way, then you’re biased, or cannot read.
In fact, I gave Italy the best benefits, and Germany the worst.
Lmao, let’s check your stats then, if you can’t out preform the obj.279, in your T58, then you have a skill issue.
Obj.279 isn’t leagues better in anything other than mobility.
Yes my kd has gone down very slightly, again, I’m at a buddies house in a different country in a setup I am in no way familiar with. If you’d like me to wait until I return, I assure you I’ll get it above 4.0 in no time :)
Nor is the HEAT round under preforming.
That PC superiority complex is showing once again.
Massive skill issue, trying to justify your poor performance… lmao.
LOL…
[T58’s T267 HEAT shells are too light // Gaijin.net // Issues]
(Community Bug Reporting System)
Try again.
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Toxic behavior, as per usual with PC users. If I messed with all your settings, your control setup, tv or monitor you’d preform the same?
No, you’re not that going to preform the same, sorry.
Secondly, you just said lol with no facts, or evidence. Ironic, therefore you are proving me correct once more.
Lastly,
“Due to a lack of documentation regarding the type of explosive contained in the T267 HEAT round, the only tentative options for the in-game T267 HEAT round are Composition B or Octol, which were used by the US Army at the time.“
Literally from that post, which dictates nobody has a lot of info regarding the T58s shells.
Also, the shell velocity was initially incorrect for T267, being 900 m/s which they just fixed. The shell regularly over pressures enemies with no problem.
And, to finish off, the shell weight is too light right now, meaning the drop isn’t correct.
Ending up being a very unfinished vehicle, which with its initially busted armor, and still good armor culminates to it being exactly what I’ve said. OP. Given if this is correct, which I doubt it, given the info wasn’t submitted (from what I can see on the mobile browser). Therefore I cannot agree it should be of higher HE mass in the HEAT round.
(Community Bug Reporting System)
So please, try again ;)
- lack of stab
- lack of smoke
- only 4 crew members
- can die eaisly
- HEAT/HESH damage model being wonky
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