It has better shells for effective armour peircing? wtf u on about worse shells.
It has HEAT FS, HESH and ofc APDS with a 5 second auto loader.
In your opinion it doesn’t.
however literally by game standards it wont move up due to the lack of stabilisation.
He thinks due to his experience “wooping” with it that it’s OP and needs to be 9.0.
I’ve been playing that BR for the last few days AkA since thursday and have died to it twice, using the type74.
It’s a nice gimmick tank that will likely move to 8,7 due to how much it’s being spammed, then it’ll be forogtten about.
He’s no retort to what we have said.
As well as, the things we have all said that the Turm III is vastly superior in he just ignores and states Muh armour.
forgetting it’s an M103 hull, and you can just bonk it on the turret top and kill the commander gunner, Or just not shoot the turret ring and disable it too.
it’s a gimmick and a fun one, but its not OP like Scorpions making out
We dont have last months data on statshark yet to see a broader picture but after fighting a few of them myself i cant imagine its bad, likley very good for an american premium considering major nation player skill issue
My usual kd in most vehicles is 1.2 - 2.28, my T58 Kd is a 3.86~ going closer to 4.0
My win rate is 80%
Previous arguments of “nations doing good” was a sign of their WRs, that’s why people who moaned USA at top tier begged for buffs due to WR being so bad, even though it’s a team thing.
Thing about the T58, is that you don’t need a team. Your load time is so quick, unless you get pushed by 4-5 or more tanks at once, you will likely win the duel.
Given most teams have 3-5 T58s a match, let’s be general and say 1-2 of those are poor players, 1-3 are good players. Multiply those good players by 3, since the T58 is practically the equivalent of three tanks…
It’s not complex, I don’t see why the others don’t get it.
This thing is NOT OP by any means, blatant weakspot, abysmal gun, better alternatives around that BR. I just do really well in it.
one player doesnt really mean anything so we need to wait for the dust to settle a lot more before making more decicive opinions on balance (I still think it should be 9.0 but we will see)
you mean like why the fox went from 6.7 to 8.0 (it should have stayed at 7.7 it was fine there with teh turret nerf but thats another debate), i agree that a lot of the bad balance of vehicles does come from players of said nations and/or the skill issue of other nations
Usually either people not being familliar with the vehicle in any deep means or personal biases. We all have these shortcomings with some vehicles for reasons only known to them until the mask slips in many a case.
Neither, you literally have no idea what you’re talking about and have resorted to sitting insulting others who have proven to you that it’s not 9.0 worthy .
no, because its extremely mobile, has a LRF, dart, fast reload and ofc gen 2 thermals.
You seem to be overlooking the fact the T58 isn’t fast, Isn’t well armoured bar in one specific area and is rather cumbersome.
It should be 8.7 and it would sit nicely there .
Yes gimmicks get spammed.
Who are these terrible players doign well with it ? it’s not an I win button as far as I’ve seen in the plethora of games the last four days, it is good yes but if you are terrible at the game it wont automatically let you win.
Unlike the 279 when it was 8.3
LMAO YOU THINK THATS AN INSULT??? XD someone has lost the plot.
So no, the hstvl is fine with all its additional, but the t58 which is extremely effective as is the hstvl, but doesn’t have a stab.
Therefore you just destroyed your own argument
Also, no speed, with trolly armor that bounces most things, and high crew survivability is perfectly fine. At 9.0.
The KV-1E had armor, a okay gun, and okay mobility, and at its 4.0 was vastly less potent vs the T58 at its current br.
It got moved up in BR purely because of its armor. It’s ARMOR!
Yet the T58 excells over its peers in almost every way. And also has a rangefinder.
If gimmicks get spammed, why do I rarely see Bm-31-12s? Oh wait, they’re crap how they’re implemented.
It is an I win button, I wasn’t playing with a headset, am at a buddies house, with a controller I’m not used to, or set up to, and his kids were a bit distracting.
I still pulled off 8 kills with the T58, and the A2D-1 almost scored a nukes, but I couldn’t even see the spaa shooting at me lol, but how could I do that in a 9.0 game, if that tank is that bad?
By all means it quite literally is an insult by the standard use of English.
Your use of it as an argumentative point saying I am naive dew to disagreeing with you implies a lack of understanding as well as willingness to understand.
Understand now? Or would you argue the semantics of a word with an English teacher? Just don’t insult others.
You completely ignored the key factors I listed purely to state this.
Being willing dishonest and acting as if I haven’t made a clear list of differences on what separates your poor example use of HSTVL compared with the T58.
Without a stab however hstvl would likely drop BR substantially as well.
It doesn’t bounce most things.
It’s an M103 hull which 6.7s can pen.
It has one part on the turret which causes issues for players who cannot aim or panic aim.
At 9.0 it’ll never fire first in a fast engagement due to lack of stabilisation.
It’s the one tbing that holds the AMX32 and BRENUS down at 8.7.
It was nearly un touchable with some of the best guns of the BR.
T58 is again still a damn M103 hull, can be penned nearly all over the turret bar the turret ring with strong apds or the early DM23 rounds.
They negate said armour.
Your point? I got 12 kills last night with a Type 74 G does that mean it should be 9.7?
Or 11 kills with an m1a1?
You’re using your own anecdotal experience to justify moving a vehicle in a game which statistically cannot sit at 9.0 without ruining it and leaving no one using it.
The T58 should move to 8.7 and stay there. Any higher and they’re as well removing it.
You do understand what naive means right? It’s literally not an insult. If your an English teacher, your a very poor one, and you may want to go back and study again.
Mr. English Teacher, you clearly ignored the facts I continue to tell you.
Also, for being an English teacher, “being willing dishonest” is not English. Did you mean “being willfully dishonest”? Which, I am not. I have been fully honest, you haven’t.
Nor would a non stabb’d hstvl drop more than 0.7 br.
Substantial is like 1.0 or greater.
HAHAHAHA…. Omg, you guys really have lost the plot. Do I have to re-list all the 3.0, 3.3, and 3.7 tanks that are capable of killing the Kv-1E now? In fact I think I did in this thread already. For someone else that was acting like a headless chicken.
T58’s, m103 is good and can bounce quite a lot. The turret collar is 406mm, the whole tank is volumetric pretty much. Given some tanks get early heat Fs, yes, they can pen you, but they can also pen lots of others. That point is very invalid no? Obj.279 can die to a 6.7 and even a 5.7, so should it be 6.7 then? No.
Early APFSDS is the most dangerous to the T58, but you don’t see it that often. Unless it’s a full uptier, even then, you can bounce it.
also, you can fire on the move pretty reliably, I’ve killed a bunch of tanks on a snap shot on the move, with the HEAT
secondly, you have a lot more “anecdotal evidence” than I do. You can literally go look at my past games.
lastly the T58 has:
a 2.6 sec reload FOR A 155mm gun
Superior HEAT given its HE mass and pen
40° turret traverse, aka top tier mbt levels
A quick ready rack reload, if you leave 1 round in the chamber.
406mm turret collar with the whole tank being volumetric hell that will bounce most rounds other than well placed HEAT/FS, or APFSDS.
Its mobility isn’t as bad as people let on, it reaches max speed quite quickly due to its great acceleration.
it has a rangefinder, tanks rarely get these, unless they are 9.0 or higher.
great survivability, even on penetrating hits, it usually takes 3-4 hits to be fully knocked out due to the gun eating a lot of spall, and the crew being quite spaced out.
sound is much quieter since they reused the m60 sounds, which have been very quiet for years.
high camera placement, meaning you can peek over a lot of things and not be seen.
roof mounted .50cal with its magic “1 hit, and they’ll light up!” Rounds which most of the time you only have to hit an aircraft once and it’s on fire.
Often eats whole arty rounds with no problem, from things such as the Type 99.
commander override
This tank also fits into the most broken 8.3 lineup in game. (No im not saying it belongs at 8.3, it will live at 9.0 just fine).
If I missed any I’ll add them to this again. But tell me what tanks at 8.3. Have even similar capability?
Pretty much the only downside is its reverse speed. That’s it.
Oh wait, all the people that say the T-series is over powered… are the same people saying the T-58 is under powered for 9.0
Irony, a whole lot of irony.
Funny how two tanks in similar prowess, and similar age of completion, the obj.279, and T58. Yet there is a 0.7 br gap between them. Strange, almost sounds like USA BIAS or Gaijin favoritism?
You don’t understand the context you have used it, and the directed implication you’ve attacked to it has turned it from a basic word , of saying someone is too inexperienced and will follow others words / believe what they are told.
To insuating that I’m being naive in rejecting your opinion, stated as if your opinion is actually fact, instead of being opinion.
Your use of naive here is essentially saying i dont have enough experience, knowledge and understanding simply because I disagree.
I think it is you who should return to their studies before throwing around words you’ve very little understanding of.
Willingfully dishonest is a simple typo on a mobile whilst responding to the absolute nonsense you are typing.
You actively have ignored time and time again facts provided to you by a plethora of people here.
As well as this at the same time repeating your own opinion as if it changes any of the facts that have been provided disregarding your non backed up opinion.
Your own Kd is not sufficent source/ evidence.
As well as claiming its fast when it isn’t
Or it has armour which is only on one specific part of the turret.
I haven’t ignored you, as much as you say it, the lack of a stabilizer doesn’t mean it’s not 9.0 worthy. I’ve told you time and, time again why it’s 9.0 material.
If you wish to debate, have a point, or some sort of logical pathway. I advise against using grammar you don’t totally understand.
A lot of the same people who say the T58 is fine at 8.3 / 8.7
My claims are backed up, I’m using my own, and stats of others, the winrate heat map, and the stat shark stats, as they won’t be totally accurate like gaijins actual stats, but will be a good representation of most players.
279 wasn’t 8.3 worthy, 8.7 it was still very good, 9.0 seems balanced.
Neither is the T58 balanced at 8.3, 8.7.
Please provide capabilies of other tanks at 8.3/8.7 vs the T58, it has mass advantages over all its peers
