Ground Vehicles **PROPOSED** RB battle rating changes

[Pangolin_Fan]

@rainy2000

That’s the thing. These aircraft are practically CAP aircraft.

I directly mentioned the F-86 and F-104, however it’s the same for most rank 5s.

Out of these 19 planes from 7.0-9.0, 18 can carry A2G ordinance.

Out of those 18, three have ballistics computers, and three have bomb sights (which are highly inaccurate at high speeds).

Out of 18 planes that can carry A2G ordinance, 15 have basically no way to deal with radar SPAA, including multiple ground attack aircraft.

@rainy2000

Considering their air-to-air capabilities, it seems fair that their BR reflects that. Moving certain CAS up would make sense if it wasn’t for the fact that the Scimitar is already only 0.3 BRs different to the AV-8C, which can kill in most cases. You’re effectively trying to make CAP aircraft both good against CAS (the Scimitar VS AV-8 example) and SPAA (Moving the 35mm SPAAs up to 9.0 / 9.3)
Look at the FJ-4B VMF-232 and how it’s at 9.3 despite lacking any CMs nor afterburner. The Harrier is effectively a CAP against that CAS.

In the specific example of the Harrier, it only has 5 hardpoints, so taking 9Gs limits you to only a few zunis or HVARs plus a single 500lb bomb. Considering its atrocious turnrate and heat signature, and its limited payload, I doubt it would cause much issue.

Of course, if it does, it can always just be raised.

@rainy2000

Sure, but what if you were that top player, spawncamper, or downtiered heavy?

I’m not gonna complain that the enemy team has a way to kill me if I use a OP spot or tank. I’ve gotten near 20 kill games in the Kv-7 that were only halted because someone had CAS.

@rainy2000

Well, flares not only help against A2A, but also from IRCCM SPAA from locking onto you from front-aspect. You can effectively make the Gepard 1A2 into a regular Gepard, the ZSU-23M4 into a regular ZSU-23-4, and you can make the Ozelot into a sitting duck.

I had a video of it at some point, however Fim-92s have no trouble locking onto a pre-flaring Harrier with its engine off.

@rainy2000

Not really sure about that. You’re just asking for people to abuse CAS at that point.

If the strongest CAS get moved up along with the Gepards, then all that will be left at 8.3 is either planes with terrible payloads (like the F-86) or planes with terrible flight performance (like the F3D). Aside from facing vehicles 40 years more advanced, 7.0-8.0 planes also just don’t have really good payload options.

America was still using Skyraiders into the Vietnam war.

@Pro_Gamer_Cat

Can some one explain to me why M120 is at 10.3 with an amazing dart? and not 11.0.

So, higher than the actual Abrams on an actual Abrams hull?

[UniqueScorpions-live]

@Normandy_Corsair

Nope. Dart isnt overpowered and it doesnt need to go anywhere

Also, did you mean 120S? That tank is 10.3 because its got 10.3 performance too… both of these tanks are balanced

I mean, it’s got top tier abrams turret armor, reload, and the shell.

It’s just lacking in hull elements.

In a hull down position it’s practically invincible

[Normandy_Corsair]

@Pro_Gamer_Cat

HOW?! They have literally THE BEST darts at their brs!

Ok and? Vehicles are a list of pros and cons, glance at their cons to find out why they are 10.3 and 10.7

[Normandy_Corsair]

@Yubel2

everything has panther syndrome except for the actual panther

panther has transmission taken out via cupola shots from 40mm aphe so thats not true

[Pro_Gamer_Cat]

Well they are afoul then, for ppl using it and ppl fighting it. It shouldn’t get M829A1 dart, and stay at 10.3 bc 468mm of pen is enough to lol pen almost any vehicle center mass.

[Normandy_Corsair]

@Pro_Gamer_Cat

It shouldn’t get M829A1 dart, and stay at 10.3 bc 468mm of pen is enough to lol pen almost any vehicle center mass.

Why should it be nerfed when its not overperforming. Being able to pen things does not make a vehicle overpowered by default. The 120S has maus speed and you do not do anything in it other than camp hull down sniping positions

@Pro_Gamer_Cat

Well they are afoul then, for ppl using it and ppl fighting it

dont know what you mean by this

[Pro_Gamer_Cat]

It’s bad for ppl playing it and fighting against it.

[Yubel2]

historically, shermen shot panthers with HE to really fuck up the electronics, but true, they also have a pimple to pop

[Yubel2]

@Pro_Gamer_Cat

bc 468mm of pen is enough to lol pen almost any vehicle center mass.

so according to you the conqueror should be moved up because it has more pen than this?

[_Renzo]

Maybe you should focus on actually learning to play the game instead of focusing on game balance of vehicles you have never played.

[Pro_Gamer_Cat]

I would honestly move the 7.7 heavy’s up to 8.0 so they didn’t face ww2 vehicles. but the 140mm of ben @60 and the spall isn’t great. Survived 2 shots from a conqueror in leo 1 in the same vehicle. but I never survived from a 120S in T-80UD, BMP-2M, L1A5, L1A1.

[Pro_Gamer_Cat]

Top 5 in almost every game. Huh never knew I was trash 🤣.

[_Renzo]

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[Normandy_Corsair]

@Pro_Gamer_Cat

It’s bad for ppl playing it and fighting against it.

How, its good at what it does and it isnt overpowered

@Yubel2

historically, shermen shot panthers with HE to really fuck up the electronics, but true, they also have a pimple to pop

All the tigers and panthers now lose their transmission to literally any aphe pen from any caliber, its crazy

@Pro_Gamer_Cat

I would honestly move the 7.7 heavy’s up to 8.0 so they didn’t face ww2 vehicles.

But why would you play them at 8.0 if you move nothing else

[Yubel2]

@Pro_Gamer_Cat

didn’t face ww2 vehicles

lower the conqueror so I get to bully tiger 2 players in it more often

[Yubel2]

@Normandy_Corsair

All the tigers and panthers now lose their transmission to literally any aphe pen from any caliber, its crazy

A. historically accurate german heavy transmissions
B. god I wish the sherman could pen a panther’s cupola with the 75

[Yubel2]

I’m reiterating this. There is literally zero reason for the first 2 chieftains to be this high

[Pro_Gamer_Cat]

Fair enough, It’s not a perfect solution ether. There should be limits to what each tank can face instead of the 1br up or down. like tiger 2s should be +0.3 and -0.7 instead of +1 & -1.

[Yubel2]

@Pro_Gamer_Cat

tiger 2s should be +0.3

actually tiger 2s should be +1.3 because tiger 2 players deserve it

[Pro_Gamer_Cat]

So in your opinion, you think tiger 2s should be fighting L1s, Chieftains, M48, M60s? Which have more armor, faster, stronger ammo and better sights?