And the Panther D should be 5.7
Just as the VK fits at 5.3 with the others.
A vehicle with 185mm of almost flat turret face CANNOT go to 7.0. not at it’s weight and speed.
Time to link this image again:
Proper camera angle makes quite the difference:
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To be honest, it’s more like ~140mm from my experience. Though it’s definitely not ~120mm.
Nonetheless, most tanks at 5.0+ can UFP it if it’s unangled, assuming you’re within 300m.
Plus, rounds like BR-365 have such good angle pen, if I recall correctly, the UFP of the VK would effectively be ~90mm.
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It all just depends on what reference shell you have selected, I simply selected the VK 3002’s own gun as it seems like the person I replied to used that shell too.
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I personally haven’t struggled when facing the VK (other than at long range).
I don’t think it has enough armour to warrant a 5.3 BR, but I can understand how it could be a nuisance to 4.0 vehicles.
I’d say the Su-85M / KV-1C / KV-85 are slightly more potent in the right hands though.
I wasn’t in the game at the time, I just used a screenshot on Reddit so I can’t confirm what shell it was. Though that wasn’t my point, my point was Fizzy was clearly making a bad faith argument about how protected the VK’s hull is.
It’s clearly better protected than they were suggesting.
yes the panther d is superior, IN ARMOUR ALONE. dont mind the fact literally everything else of the AC 4 is either the same, nearly the same or better.
no, the panther d has an extra 20mm more than the ac4 (dead on) but only 10mm more angled, meaning the thinner vk, will be worse, this isnt a bad faith argument, i just didnt want to also view the vk, which we already know is weaker in the armour department of the panther d.
Many players (including me) play some assault to gain some modules. Going into battle p v p without repairs is just foolish.
Had nothing to to with taking a shot at you.
Has nothing to do with global stats and your stats in comparing 69 battles vs 20 battles.
But nice try at deflection.
VK is well protected for a 5.0 medium, but it is vulnerable from the front to many 5.0 vehicles it can face.
Using protection analysis, here’s a snippet of vehicles that can pen it from the front, and the protection VK offers vs their shell at 500m
KV-85
= 95 vs mantle
= 86-95 vs UFP
Sherman Firefly
= 94 vs mantle
= 118-122 vs UFP
M4A1 (76)
= 94 vs mantle
= 118-120 vs UFP
Chi-To-Late
= 94 vs mantle
= 114-118 vs UFP
Object 211
= 94 vs mantle
= 113-124 vs UFP
M4A4 SA-50
= 94 vs mantle
= 114-119 vs UFP
Strv m/42
= 94 vs mantle
= 121-127 UFP (strv fails at 127mm on VK UFP)
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I think it can be quite oppressive in a full downtier, but it becomes trivial at higher BRs, where turret mantlet is extremely weak, hull armour is unreliable, and turret rotation speed doesn’t help at all with that.
At that point, I’d rather play the M4A1 (76) or KV-85.
The penetration for the round, top speed, and smoke grenades are still quite nice, though.
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M62 also seemingly has good angle pen despite its stats saying otherwise.
Eh.
Su-85M not really. It’s a case mate.
KV-1C sure, it combines good armor with a good gun, leading to a deadly combo.
KV-85 I still don’t think is good enough to warrant a 5.3 br quite yet.
It’s not a deflection lol. What does the post say? Ground Realistic.
Unless Stona changed it.
Anyways, no I don’t play ground assault, it’s a waste of time and effort. It doesn’t net you much.
Got shot by a lot of tanks that should’ve killed me, and didn’t hurt me at all. And these were just the ones I recorded.
Oh I was scrolling through my old YouTube vids and found this too:
Kindly point out where I used Arcade statistics or references.
What I did use was…
- Global Realistic statistics from statshark
- protection analysis
- your 20 + 69 Realistic Ground battles
You didn’t use arcade stats.
I was saying most of your experience comes from arcade though. Does it not?
Also I enjoy the disregard of the VK30 living much more than it should
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XM 249 should be at 9.3. ZA-35 should be at 9.0. Geopard can stay at 8.3. Wiesel and Luchs need to be at least at 7.0 and get a drone. ZSU-57 needs to be at least at 7.3.
Suprise suprise, even more german main cope.
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How about we just fix the small-caliber APHE spam that makes them OP in the first place?
Then you don’t have to move up SPAAs that get countered by things like bullpups and laser-guided weaponry, which are plentiful at 9.0+.
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VK is basically a casemate considering its turret rotation speed is so abysmal.
If you get transmissioned / engined, you aren’t going to turn the turret on time to shoot them in a lot of cases.
The only real difference being that the VK can set up its gun on its side (though that isn’t really useful when you’d usually want your gun facing hull-front anyways). It wouls technically have better horizontal guidance than the Su-85M though.
But the Su-85M has much better armour (~180mm UFP armour, with a cupola that can’t be exploited, arguably better round (for the BR), faster reload, much more usable reverse speed and slightly better acceleration.
The VK.3002 gets much better flat pen, much better gun depression, better turret guidance access to smoke grenades, and is more survivable when shot (unless the round pens the UFP / side).
I’d say its a sidegrade.
Indeed.
It’s definitely one of the best 5.0 though. But I agree that it may be reasonable at 5.0.
Though is it really fair that it is 0.7 BR different to the IS-1?