Mor common cannon netting and things found in wartimes like:
Tracks
Wheels
Logs
Etc
Would be far more fun to use without being as abusive in my opinion.
I wouldn’t even care if it added an appropriate level of protection per item.
Have you ever actually PLAYED the dumpster fire that is the Ho-Ri Prototype? Its performance is abysmal and has paper armour for its BR, any T34 or god forbid Tiger 2 will eat you alive, the tank should be at 6.0 where it was before, just because Japanese players manage to make an objectively mediocre if not outright bad vehicle good doesnt justify its BR, the Jagdpanther or Ferdinand are just better than the Ho-Ri Prototype
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Not the prototype, but it’s almost a full br higher.
Aren’t you the guy who was complaining about it being bad while also spawn camping the entire match with it the other day?
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The difference being, the Production actually has armor.
I’ve argued in the past that the Production is a skill check, since practically every gun it faces can pen it pretty consistently if they aim correctly and hit the outer portion of the casemate.
However, the Prototype is an IQ test, and one the community at large seems to be failing based on how they talk about it.
Literally all you have to do if you’re facing the Prototype is to not aim for the giant, sloped UFP. The casemate is 150mm at it’s strongest, with 120mm at the edges. Even the weakest pop guns it can face in full downtiers can easily punch through the sides, and the overwhelming majority can also get through the strongest points, even at long range.
Hell, the stronger 6.7 guns can punch right through the mantlet if they want. The curved area surrounding the gun is only 200mm thick, and unlike on the Production, it will let shells through into the crew compartment with consistency. The backing plate is 250mm, but it’s cast, meaning it’s actual protection is ~235mm, meaning the long 88 can get through it at close range, which means even if a Tiger II fluffs his shot and hits the single strongest piece of armor on the casemate, there’s still a chance it’ll go through.
Meanwhile, the toeplate is only 75mm thick, meaning some of the stronger SPAA autocannons can completely disable it’s movement frontally.
And it’s not even particularly mobile. It’s got 10 HP/t, which makes it about as quick as the Ferdinand, except without the electric transmission that makes it’s agility and reverse speed top of the class.
And it’s gun is weaker than the Productions, at only 205mm pen point blank, as opposed to 233.
The Production is a very different beast, but players apparently just don’t appreciate the difference.
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Conveniently leaves out the bmpt.
It was actually removed from the list a long time ago after it was moved up in br several times.
(Just like many other Russian vehicles I proposed to go higher in br. Which is funny that they easily go higher in br compared to other nations)
Read through all the comments before making your very un-informed statement.
Thank you!
Here, I even went to the liberty of searching for it for you. Because I know some forum users are very lazy. @TheBloodRend
Ho-Ri Prototype could be 6.3 to be honest. It’s much worse than the Production. Mobility is abysmal (which is very problematic for a casemate), reverse speed is mediocre and, yes, the armour is significantly worse too.
6.0 maybe, though to be honest the gun is very good for the reload. It’s why I don’t think it should go any lower. Basically an IS-2 round every 8.6s just with worse angle penetration and chance of ricochet.
The Ho-Ri Production has a very similar volumetric thing to a bunch of oscillating turret tanks in that the armor technically being spaced completely fucks APDS in a lot of places. The T58 is especially egregious in this regard in that there’s a large portion of the turret side that you cannot shoot with even the fucking Chieftain if you want that shot to do anything. This WAS an excuse to complain about this how could you tell!
today, t55a needs to be moved up, its basically a 9.3 vehicle at 8.3, the zsu 23 with missiles should also go up. and the italian c13 needs to go down, like a whole BR. its a worse AUBL at a higher BR. there are many other examples
This has to be bait, I refuse to believe otherwise.
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Unrelated to this take, what’s your opinion on volokolamsk?
no it’s genuinely incredible how unplayable non-american 8.7 is right now. But sure dude the t58 is DEFINITELY not the problem considering it’s the entire reason every FUCKING game is against america.
T14, T26E5, T29, etc
There’s plenty of reasons
I’m talking about 8.X specifically. It’s an outlier even among the broken premium heavies america infests the matchmaker with normally.
That new M60 premium is pretty good too.
The USA keeps getting really good premium vehicles.
yeah and it’s ONLY 8.X where the matchmaker is this fucked like this (the current japanese incursion into low tier does not count for this argument)
M4? Etc
Isn’t the premium version the same as tech tree one?
Pretty much, just some visual decorators and some decals on the skin itself.
It’s just a RISE, not bad of course but also hardly anything too special for it’s BR.
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Both of these have nothing extraordinary to go up.
Especially T-55A, which is very close to stats to M60A1 AOS (AOS overall having more trolly armor towards it’s gun - it’s a black hole). The speed is the same, reverse is about the same, stabilization as well, rounds performance is a bit different.
However M60A1 AOS at the same time is better than T-55A with reload, coincedence rangefinder, depression, ability to turn on spot.
T-55A has better side armor and smaller profile, as well as slightly more reliable shell damage wise)
They both make sense at 8.3 as early (although wouldnt call AOS early when it came 10+ years after T-55) vehicles with stabilizers.
If anything I would move down T-62 to 8.3 since it has nothing over T-55A (it’s actually just slower reload and slower T-55A without any APHE).
Shilka itself is kinda meh, the only good thing about it is the upgraded missiles (what is weird about it is you start with 1971 9M39 missile and move up to 2001 missile but anything with Stinger starts with 1995 version and ends at 2023 version). Nothing else is basically changed, you’re just the same 8.0 Shilka
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