first the t55 gets APFSDS, this is something the m60a1 AOS does not, its kinda important in terms of angle preformance and shell shatters. the neutral steering and depression does not make up for it. it gets a combination of alright armour, good shells and a stabilizer that really no other vehicle at 8.3 gets, the tanks with stabilizers either dont get armour of APFSDS. and the ZSU 23 M4, the missiles are irccm, 12 G’s and it wrecks all cas in a downtier and even normally, not really that much worse than the mistral sidam at 9.7
Leopard A1A1 gets superior APFSDS, acceleration, reverse, reload, gun depression, turret traverse rate, stabilization, etc. and is 8.7.
The T-55A has no armour, everything in this BR range lolpens it.
This is what even the weaker APDS shells at 8.0 do to it:
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what point are you trying to make
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forgot to mention they have no proxy and are easily dodged
3bm25 is one of worst apfsds shells. Loses more pen against angled armor than m60a1 apds let alone m60a1 heat and m111 apfsds which can be found on SAR centurion at 8.3 with laser rangefinder btw.
Also shilka missile seeker is caged, it will lose all that overload and fail vs closer targets flying perpendicularly while in case of stinger or other manpads you can lock and then send missile with some lead so it doesnt struggle that much.
worse armour.
the leopard is also too strong at its BR, but that has worse armour and sits at a higher BR
Not that different against L7, it will punch through both t55 and centurion.
a gepard will struggle more with a t55 for example, and there are a lot of 35mm’s
Majority of your enemies wont be on gepards tho. And if you are aware about gepard in m60, it will struggle just as much because you will one tap it before it even tries to reach your cupola. If you arent, gepard wont struggle even if you will be in t55. It will strip your barrel and nuke you through special side weak zone (which can be penned by 20mm) with aphe or just use apds on entire side.
it is an exaple, an M60 is more vulnereable to a 35mm spaa because of the giga cupola, a gepard will nuke you the same way in a M60.
It’s relatively okay at 8.7.
The problem is that it can’t be 9.0 either as there are better tanks at 9.0 and massively better tanks at 9.3.
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at 8.3 armor is entering the phase of being either completely fake or volumetric incarnate so it’s not that big of a deal. also you have a cupola so even if a geppy couldn’t side-on you they’d still win
Depends the t55 cupola is very fucky to pen, in a 1 on 1 engagement the t55 will have time to kill the gepard before the gepard can pen. even tho armour diffrences are small, it stil helps with some more
That’s something I have already noted, and the advantages of M60A1 do make up for it.
I have played both and I have found them very equal.
Neither of them need to move up really.
You can basically ignore T-55A having APFSDS, especially when that APFSDS has same performance as DM13 and it’s a short rod penetrator in game, basically meaning it’s still worse than smth like full rod APFSDS.
And again unlike T-55A you will have easier time playing with M60’s neutral steer, much better depression, better reload and coincedence rangefinder making sure you never miss, so unless you really want to have lower profile theres no big advantages on T-55A.
And if you mention 35’s they just kill everything, they just plainly dont care. It is the issue of their balance, not of T-55A/M60A1.
There’s vehicles lover BR than T-55A/M60A1 with APDS amd stabilizers, it’s Centurions and their copies (STRV(81/101) located as low as 7.7 and 8.0. All those BR’s make sense.
Additionally theres vehicles like ZTZ-59 with DM23, one plane stab, LRF and essentually K5 as low as 8.3
T-55A has no business being at 9.3. If APFSDS and stabilizer is too much for you to handle fighting against then maybe you should go lower BR ranges until you’re at least comfortable facing one or the either.
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Another 8.3 with stabilizer, DM23 (way better than 3BM25 by pen and damage) and even LRF.
STRV104 is same things at higher BR but with ERA which really doesnt matter enough to give higher BR.
i can see your points, and 9.3 is of course too high. but i still think it is one of the 3 best vehicles at the BR. the players just drag the winrate down, just as with any russian tank.
and the nato 105 apds is very good, but the t55’s darts are better.
I think you’re simply overreacting over it. 8.7 is also a BR of vehicles much better than T-55A (often featuring actual darts and LRF). For example smth like AMX-30B2 and Object 122TM do deserve 8.7. M60A1 RISE as well. Wouldnt say T-62 does again for the fact of zero improvements from T-55A.
You wont really notice huge difference between APDS and short rod APFSDS. But you can definitely see a huge gap between short rod APFSDS and regular APFSDS.
(short rod APFSDS have way worse damage and often bad performance at angle/rico)
So it’s in situation where you either dont touch it or maybe give game decompression, however I dont see the need for decompression here exactly.
I mean this moreso goes back to the gepard being broken to shit and needing to get nerfed, which I agree with