I think the A1A1 could go to 8.7, but the 1A5 should stay at 9.3, and have the best 9.3s move up to 9.7.
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I’ve almost completed the USA and Jap tech trees.
I have Russia finished.
A couple event vehicles for GB, and France… and some decent progress into both trees
No real desire to start Germany.
I’m gonna play the what aboutism card here…
What about the T-62 / T-62M-1 both are okay.
I see no reason to move them, but if the Leo’s are getting moved, a tank with comparable abilities should likely also see a buff.
M-51’s only pros are that it gets 400mm pen HEAT (which is worse than good APHE in majority of cases), and trolly turret armour.
It’s fine at 6.3.
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The problem is that it can pen ufp of german heavy tanks and tds like jagtiger which is annoying as you can’t do anything agains it if it takes out ur gunner or breach.
Well, I think the T-62 should go to 8.3 (since it’s more of a sidegrade to the T-55A). The T-62M1 is a massive improvement over the T-62, featuring good turret and hull composite, much stronger APFSDS, upgraded engine, smoke grenades, and a LRF.
T-62M1 is fine at 9.0, and the 1A5 is fine at 9.3.
The problem is not only for German tanks.
The M-51 should go to 6.7 as it is a fantastic sniper.
Problem is not everyone plays it as a sniper.
If only you could shoot it and kill it in one shot… oh wait! Long 88mm and 128mm can do that without an issue!
Well, I’ve barely touched the other game modes ever since Naval became a thing. Only in the last few days I’ve started to pick up GRB again, trying to not embarrass myself too much while getting used to all the new/massively altered maps, relearning how to instinctively nail speeding M18s from 2 km away, dealing with vehicles I’ve never used/faced before, and hoping not to get annoyed too much by Gaijin’s currently prevailing tendency to CoD-ify the game mode. I’m scared.
Its NERA is only good vs heat FS. And early heat at that. (From what I recall)
Darts almost always pierce it.
LRF yeah, smoke grenades yup.
Mobility is kinda meh. But the reload is not great compared to the Leo.
Actually the buff of the tiger 1e isn’t the cupola being smaller (it’s nice but not the major buff over the h) is the removal of the anti personnel mines allowing you to get a true 45° angle and getting the most out of the hull armour. The cupola being smaller just means you gotta deal less of getting your turret crew deleted as often, because you can still go through the turret face if you got like 150mm of pen and don’t get screwed over by the mg or sight
Something the poor Heavy tank no.6 still has to deal with are those launchers.
It also doesn’t get access to the smoke launchers.
And also has no roof mg.
800m/s isn’t particularly fast (long 88mm’s APHE goes ar 1000m/s).
Sure, there is no penetration fall-off, but unless you manage to hit ammo, you’re almost always going to have to shoot them more than once (unlike good APHE rounds found at the same BR).
It can’t get to any good positions because it isn’t particularly mobile, and the armour is much worse off than other 6.3s, and definitely compared to 6.7s.
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You’d be surprised at how good the M-51 shell is.
It’s a what 8.3 shell at 6.3?
Its velocity is pretty good for early non FS heat.
It works decently against 105mm APDS and crappy APFSDS like 3BM25. It also helps a lot against lol-pen APHE (like the IS-7’s / Obj 279’s).
But I agree that its hull protection starts to fall behind at 9.0+ (T-72A’s UFP is much better but is at 9.3).
The mobility is good enough for how well-armoured it is against autocannons & 8.0 / 8.3 shells.
The reload rate is abysmal compared to the A1A1(8.0s vs 6.7s), yes, though 3BM28 is much better than DM23.
M-51 is basically strum emil
I’d argue the T-72 is a better platform in all ways.
Reload,
Speed,
Armor,
Gun,
Etc.
They could add a T-62MV which is the most updated one with a gen 2 thermal at 9.3
AS AN UPGRADE PACKAGE THAT CHANGES THE BR
I do not want to research another vehicle simply for one mod…
Like the new T-90 arena…
I wouldn’t say Sturm Emil is a good vehicle that deserves to be moved up lmao.
The horizontal, and vertical handling is faster on the Leo.
Add in the better gun depression as well.
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Yeah the difference in capabilities between 9.0 and 9.3 vehicles is quite staggering
I’d really like some decompression at that BR range.
If it only gets Gen 2 thermals as an improvement, I’m not sure if it would be a side-grade to the T-72A.