yes because adding more vehicles it can’t really do anything to into its matchup pool is an objective buff. you’re so smart and intelligent do you also play exclusively nations with APHE (the answer is yes)
choice of BRs before: 8.3-13.0. choice of BRs after: 8.0-13.0. Hope this helps, more options is not a downside
u didnt even try looking at my profile
You genuinely sound like gaijin with how you only think about numbers and never any context behind how things work within those numbers.
You play the big 3 in ground battles I actually looked at your profile before I even posted it.
I have spaded the entire nations of France and Italy in ground RB except for the rank 9 tanks… and have more playtime in these two nations than any other nation in the game. I also have UK up to rank 6 or 7. Left that part out huh
And I guess UK is another APHE nation? I’ve played like 7 of the nations up to rank 7, and you still act like I’m some noob lol
Also calling Italy an “APHE nation” pretending like italy is strong or something just because some of its vehicles get aphe is funny
If you mean premiums, bought them all many years ago, not that it matters
You do though that’s why you brought it up yourself
You implied it was a nerf. I’m just saying it’s very obviously a buff using common sense. If you don’t want to downtier it then just don’t and continue playing it at its 8.3 BR and nothing changed
No it doesn’t, skill issue
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- So what about the Aubl HVG?
- No. The KV’s are already a bit higher than they should be besides, the KV1C, and KV1 (Sweden)
I quite like Britain, and my major nation is Russia.
I have top in USA, Germany, Russia, France, Italy, Japan, and Sweden.
Britain’s gameplay prioritizes high pen shots and good shot placement. Less after damage, but critical and instant knockout shots usually if you have a semi decent idea of where to aim.
Guys debate the the topic not the user and if you can’t do that move it to DM’s or leave each other alone !
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The Falcon wouldn’t even see that many hellcats, as the M41 and T92 would take over with their much better guns.
Valentine XI
- Arcade Battle BR: 3.0 → 3.3
- Realistic Battle BR: 2.7 → 3.0
- Reload Speed: 5.0 s → 6.25 s
- Correct missing ESS (Bug Report)
- Correct hull roof armor (Bug Report)
- Correct automotives (Bug Report)
Rationale
In the upcoming major update, all British tanks with the QF 75 will be able to fire filled M61 APHECBC, dramatically improving their capabilities. The Valentine XI is the only one of these tanks that truely concerns me however due to its low BR.
I think something will have to give. The combination of decent armor and a very reliable gun would just be too strong to stay at 2.7. It’s going to need to go up. Since it has much more cramped turret conditions compared to that of a Sherman, a reload nerf would also make sense.
It’s also currently missing an ESS system that would help further distinguish it from the Valentine IX.
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sir I specified the up-armored KV-1s. the other ones are fine. The up-armored KV-1s are genuinely almost impossible to deal with for 4.0 britain unless you spawn the achilles and britain tends to get the best pen in return for using solid shot.
the UK may as well be an APHE nation now that gaijin has decided to slopify low tier by giving the british 75 APHE. Why bother using the Cromwell 1 or Valentine 9 when you can just click the APHE button and not even give a shit about what you’re hitting when you pen? The six pounder has been made ENTIRELY redundant because gaijin has decided to homogenize all of low tier into the APHE slopfest. The Sherman 2 now has literally no reason to be run because the Cromwell V is that but smaller and faster. The ONLY tank with the british 75 that needed the APHE was the Churchill VII.
oh cool you’re one of those people who think saying “get good” is a genuine argument against any complaint. The british 6.7 lineup is DOGSHIT. The ratels are garbage, the FV is bad, you have 2 artillery vehicles, an unstabilized centurion, the tortoise, and the charioteer for ground vehicles (no the Centurion mark 2 doesn’t count it’s premium and it’s an event vehicle). For air power you have a few spit/seafires, 2 tempests, the Hornet, and bombers. The tortoise wouldn’t even be that bad if it had its APDS. Now yes, nothing is stopping you from using stuff like the comet or avenger or stuff like that, but that really doesn’t improve the lineup much. 6.7 britain is easily the weakest point for britain apart from the 2.x BR area.
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I was killing KVs with my Excelsior with ease lol.
I AM TALKING ABOUT UP-ARMORED KV-1S I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE KV-1 IN GENERAL
if I need to make it even MORE obvious: The KV-1E, C, and the swedish premium. How are war thunder players this illiterate
The QF 75 was made with the express purpose of using US ammunition. By the time the QF 75 was introduced, fusing issues with M61 APHE were largely resolved, so they did actually use this round in fair quantity. It’s not fair, in my eyes, to describe representing these vehicles more accurately as “slopifying”.
This argument isn’t useful anyways since the update hasn’t dropped yet, so you can’t act like they’ve been exploiting APHE this whole time when grinding the British tree.
The 6-pdr offers noticeably better RoF, penetration, and has a flatter shell trajectory compared to the QF 75. Tanks with it aren’t going to become useless just because the QF 75 gets to perform at its intended level, so that’s not a good rationale for handicapping the 75 mm to be direct downgrade to the 6-pdr.
If the QF 75-armed tanks do end up being stronger than their higher BR 6-pdr counterparts, just move them up. I already proposed how that might look for the Valentine XI such that the Valentine IX would still serve a role.
Furthermore, the Valentine IX and Cromwell I should actually have even better guns that currently. They have 6-pdr Mk.Vs with the stats of the 6-pdr Mk.III. They should have comparable performance to the Churchill III, which actually has the opposite issue currently.
Valentine Mk. IX Wrong 6-Pdr
Cromwell Mk. I Wrong 6-Pdr
The Sherman II does have a stabilizer and .50 cal. that you can’t find on any QF 75-armed tank iirc. The former is a very strong asset that would allow it to kill a Cromwell V first most of the time in a hypothetical encounter. It would come down to a matter of player preference, or what type of map you’re playing on.
I can still see your point however. I think the Cromwell V could go up further to 4.0 now, in which case, the Sherman II at 3.7 would still serve a purpose in the tree.
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Yeah I was talking about the KV-1E and B.
I was just being plural. They’re very easy to pen now adays with all the nerfs in br they’ve gotten.
3.3s have no problem killing KV-1Es regularly
It’s slopifying because APHE is genuinely just a slop round. You’re rewarded for aiming less and even get to just ignore your enemy’s armor a significant amount of the time thanks to how cupola shots work. WT players will say solid shot is dogshit because they’ve literally only used APHE and think that not being able to just shoot center mass and kill 100% of the time is “bad damage”. Yes it’s cathartic to just delete IS-1s and 2s with the american 76, but that’s not remotely balanced either. It’s also ridiculous that a shot to the turret can just delete an engine but I’m not here to debate APHE with people.
99% of WT players take APHE over pen because APHE is just a massive crutch.
You can’t see my point actually, because that’s not my point. The british 75s getting APHE makes the british tech tree less interesting and gives a bad impression on how the tree plays later. The only other British tank to get APHE past the 2 pounder is a churchill with an american gun. It’s all solid shot or sabot from that point (except artillery vehicles), you actually need to learn to aim for certain spots instead of just shooting the cupola.
Oh look at mister excelsior over here being able to shoot at KVs without the dumbest possible weakspot due to russian APHEBC.
KV-1E
KV-1 m1942
both against the Churchill 3’s Shot Mk.9
personally I don’t think this is particularly easy to pen in the heat of combat, especially not when both of these can very easily just one shot you back in most vehicles.
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With any of those KVs you always shoot the gun first anyways. Then driver port it.
Or you could just driver port it. Your call.
Also… what? What does this even mean???
Sounds like a skill issue on your part.
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You mean the weakspot you didn’t enlightenment about, because it’s not actually the roof but the commanders hatch? Which… I already knew about?
But since it is so much of a coin toss, it’s not the best shot place.
Depends on how you play.
Sherman 2 has better frontal and turret armor and has vertical stab. It’s a better brawler than the Cromwell. Also has the .50 cal for use against spaa and CAS.
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yeah it’s not the best shot place, because that is long ways through the tracks. however, the churchill’s roof (NOTABLY NOT THE HATCH, THE ROUND PENS BEFORE THE HATCH IS THERE) is genuinely a ridiculous thing that russian players can even do.