AA isn’t the reason why OP wants it going up, it’s the fact that it’s a leopard 2 hull and powerpack with the increasingly BS 35mm twin Oerlikons that everyone uses for anti tank
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That just nukes the only decent form of SPAA there which means they need another SPAA, which technically they can via the ITSPV 90/T-55 Marksman lol
Slightly less mobile with less armor but still a 35mm nonetheless
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Then OP didn’t address the issue it’s an spaa it’ll be a bad one if put at 9.3 compared to others
The proxy & AHEAD SPAAs, aswell as the IRCCM SAMs should be moved up.
honestly, should have been the T-55 marksman the entire time
if you go by top forward speed yes it would be slightly, but you also have to remember that it’s the T-55AM engine so it can’t accelerate as fast as the leopard marksmen as well as being slower in reverse too.
AA in this game is balanced on not just how they do anti air but how they do anti tank, it’s why the ZSU-57s are at 7.0 despite being terrible for shooting down planes with and why the falcon sits at it’s br
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and the average war thunder player doesn’t know how to kill a churchill, that doesn’t mean they’re correct or smart. You can pen the turret but not the actual front. It’s different and that difference matters on shitty maps like Volokolamsk, where you have to precisely hit part of their turret while they get an entire half of it to shoot back, along with the rest of your front. Penning frontally SHOULD imply more than just the turret because it’s a little ridiculous to say that something with a 45 can technically pen a couple american heavy tanks frontally via pixel hunting on the front of the turret. You know that’s ridiculous, or at least you SHOULD know.
I think dropping the Falcon to 7.7 would unironically make it more balanced. Hear me out on this one, yes you would see a bit more lighter vehicles such as hellcats and the likes. HOWEVER, you know what else you would see, and way more of? Heavy tanks. Soviet heavy tanks, German heavy tanks, American heavy tanks, French heavy tanks (though these would realistically still get eaten alive but I should include them anyway), even some British heavy tanks if you get a mixed battle. The Falcon really could not do a lot to many of these and the big 3 LOVE their HMGs so it would get melted in return. Don’t get me wrong, it would still be VERY stupid, but it would be less stupid.
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You know that’s not what people mean.
This has never made even a tiny bit of sense. You can’t downtier a vehicle further than its own BR. You CAN uptier a vehicle. All downtiering the Falcon does is make it BETTER. ANYBODY can uptier it the old BR if they want
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Uptiering the falcon ALSO MAKES IT BETTER. KEEPING IT AT THE SAME BR DOES NOT ADDRESS THE PROBLEM. Just trying what I’m suggesting for a single period would not make 7.7 substantially worse, and would give 7.7 britain an actual anti-air option
No it doesn’t. Objectively, Falcon can be played from 8.3-13.0. Downtiering it means it can now play at 8.0-13.0. Uptiering it… makes it so it can play at 8.7-13.0…
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last words before getting killed by an AGM-12B
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ah yes today I will pretend that downtiers do not exist and continue to make the falcon even better by removing the only things it can’t do anything to from its matchup pool
You are making no sense.
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The falcon is one of those vehicles that should be balanced around downtiers imo. In the 6.7-7.7 area you get way more heavy tanks than anything above 8.0, and putting it to 8.3 just removes a lot of the heavies that it could face from contention.
Speaking of balancing around downtiers, move the up-armored KV-1s (except the KV-8) to 5.3.
Refer to:
hey buddy, did you know that 7.7 can match against 6.7 and 8.7?
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yeah, did you know that anybody can choose to uptier a vehicle but nobody can choose to downtier one
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oh my god shut UP. your point is genuinely irrelevant and does not even try to address anything. If what you were saying held literally any balancing relevance the sturer emil would still be 6.7
I mean, I don’t get what you don’t understand.
No relevance
“no relevance” BROTHER THAT VEHICLE HAS ONLY GONE DOWN IN BR.
I don’t understand why you’re so against even ATTEMPTING to lower the Falcon’s BR. If it’s too overpowered you just put it back. It’s not like I’m asking to drop the maus to 4.3 or something ridiculous like that. What I’m asking to try has genuine thought behind why I think it would work and your only retort to it is “you can’t downtier a vehicle on purpose but you can uptier it” as though that matters remotely in terms of BR balancing. You genuinely sound like someone who would cry and moan about the proposed APHE nerfs.
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You got a habit of saying stuff with no relevance
I’m saying you are buffing the Falcon, not making it “more balanced” which implies nerfing.