that part of the turret that you can pen is the exact same part of the turret that 95% of the tanks that face tiger 2 and use conventional ap/aphe have to shoot
that is where 7.7 soviet heavy tanks have to shoot with a 122mm
That’s a crazy way to think, if you go around telling people the 17 pdr cant pen the panther frontally you’re going to get called some crazy names and they won’t be flattering
Uhh, you mean the turret face? I hope you aren’t shooting the gun mantlet.
I hope you understand there’s an inherent difference between an APHE slinger shooting the turret face and a solid shot slinger shooting the turret face. Also, as far as I know, Tiger 2’s actually have to like, think about where to shoot a 7.7 Soviet heavy tank. They really don’t have to with a centurion
also whatever I got terminiology wrong I’ve killed tiger 2s I know how to kill tiger 2s my point should be clear.
Sure, but the Tiger 2’s ammo is directly in the back of the turret and it doesn’t take much for a shell to reach the ammo. Besides that, you also definitely disabled the tiger 2 with that shot if it pens and the tiger 2 is not exactly going to speed away before you can get followup shots
yeah its also a 6.0 tank and not a 6.7 tank, br compression is just bad in this game
believe it or not but Tiger 2’s have an even easier time killing every other centurion because they have the dumbass frontal ammo rack that’s beside the driver for some reason. Literally only the centurion 1 has a good ammo layout. Also it’s weirdly hard to get to a Tiger 2’s ammo with the 17 pounder unless you’re pre-loading sabot, which I don’t do because I want to get kills lmao
yeah, its quite annoying that they think an extra pole and being moved to the back makes it so they can’t fully swing/elevate like on the M6/T1E1
Nah you’re insane there are proxy spaas at 9.0 and IR slingers at 9.3 it has no business going there 8.7 is the highest it can get
AA isn’t the reason why OP wants it going up, it’s the fact that it’s a leopard 2 hull and powerpack with the increasingly BS 35mm twin Oerlikons that everyone uses for anti tank
That just nukes the only decent form of SPAA there which means they need another SPAA, which technically they can via the ITSPV 90/T-55 Marksman lol
Slightly less mobile with less armor but still a 35mm nonetheless
Then OP didn’t address the issue it’s an spaa it’ll be a bad one if put at 9.3 compared to others
The proxy & AHEAD SPAAs, aswell as the IRCCM SAMs should be moved up.
honestly, should have been the T-55 marksman the entire time
if you go by top forward speed yes it would be slightly, but you also have to remember that it’s the T-55AM engine so it can’t accelerate as fast as the leopard marksmen as well as being slower in reverse too.
AA in this game is balanced on not just how they do anti air but how they do anti tank, it’s why the ZSU-57s are at 7.0 despite being terrible for shooting down planes with and why the falcon sits at it’s br
and the average war thunder player doesn’t know how to kill a churchill, that doesn’t mean they’re correct or smart. You can pen the turret but not the actual front. It’s different and that difference matters on shitty maps like Volokolamsk, where you have to precisely hit part of their turret while they get an entire half of it to shoot back, along with the rest of your front. Penning frontally SHOULD imply more than just the turret because it’s a little ridiculous to say that something with a 45 can technically pen a couple american heavy tanks frontally via pixel hunting on the front of the turret. You know that’s ridiculous, or at least you SHOULD know.
I think dropping the Falcon to 7.7 would unironically make it more balanced. Hear me out on this one, yes you would see a bit more lighter vehicles such as hellcats and the likes. HOWEVER, you know what else you would see, and way more of? Heavy tanks. Soviet heavy tanks, German heavy tanks, American heavy tanks, French heavy tanks (though these would realistically still get eaten alive but I should include them anyway), even some British heavy tanks if you get a mixed battle. The Falcon really could not do a lot to many of these and the big 3 LOVE their HMGs so it would get melted in return. Don’t get me wrong, it would still be VERY stupid, but it would be less stupid.
You know that’s not what people mean.
This has never made even a tiny bit of sense. You can’t downtier a vehicle further than its own BR. You CAN uptier a vehicle. All downtiering the Falcon does is make it BETTER. ANYBODY can uptier it the old BR if they want
Uptiering the falcon ALSO MAKES IT BETTER. KEEPING IT AT THE SAME BR DOES NOT ADDRESS THE PROBLEM. Just trying what I’m suggesting for a single period would not make 7.7 substantially worse, and would give 7.7 britain an actual anti-air option
No it doesn’t. Objectively, Falcon can be played from 8.3-13.0. Downtiering it means it can now play at 8.0-13.0. Uptiering it… makes it so it can play at 8.7-13.0…
last words before getting killed by an AGM-12B
ah yes today I will pretend that downtiers do not exist and continue to make the falcon even better by removing the only things it can’t do anything to from its matchup pool
You are making no sense.
The falcon is one of those vehicles that should be balanced around downtiers imo. In the 6.7-7.7 area you get way more heavy tanks than anything above 8.0, and putting it to 8.3 just removes a lot of the heavies that it could face from contention.
Speaking of balancing around downtiers, move the up-armored KV-1s (except the KV-8) to 5.3.
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