Doesn’t the firefly have smoke grenades and an HMG?
All Fireflies have the smoke grenades and HMG. The IC and the British VC are both 4.7 since they don’t get APDS, while the Italian VC does.
Since both Italian Fireflies are post-war, they should both have APDS and be at 5.0.
The British TT should get their own IC at 5.0 with APDS while the current VC stays as is at 4.7 without APDS.
Yes, but neither are particularly huge advantages at the tier.
The .50 is nice as always for tracking people, but there are precious few tanks at the tier that can be consisentely penned by it (It’s pretty much just the PT-76 and it’s Chinese clones), and this particular mount has extremely restricted elevation so it’s not even useful against aircraft.
The smoke grenades are also nice, but the fact that it’s a smoke mortar limits them. They’re slow to deploy, they only cover one small area and requires your turret to move to cover your entire frontal arc, meaning that if you’re disabled (IE the one time you most need smoke cover), they’re usually far too slow to save you. It’s fine if you take a hit that’s only mildly disabling, but, well, you’re a Firefly. If you can take a hit without immediately being oneshot, you’re already extremely lucky.
No matter the br these are a huge advantage
and this particular mount
They have the same mount. Gajin has simply arbitrarily decided that the M4’s .50cal can’t fire backwards, and the Firefly’s .50cal can’t fire up.


Was there a way to control the 50 cal from inside the tank? As in not having to stand in the cupola?
Not during WW2
And yeah, Gaijin map designs seem to be catering to CQC a lot.
Because its what a majority of the player base wants. The stats have always shown that players prefer smaller maps.
I do have to agree with this, yeah
Though as someone who mostly prefers smaller maps and CQC, I actually don’t dislike Pradesh all that much (Apart from the horrid spawn locations). If they made more maps like that for the higher tiers, I wouldn’t mind. I’d actually probably agree and enjoy myself.
Edit: there are some tanks that would basically become instant “never spawning this one” if larger maps become the standard. Stuff like the Maus, T95, or TOG II would just never reach the battlefield ever.
Edit: there are some tanks that would basically become instant “never spawning this one” if larger maps become the standard. Stuff like the Maus, T95, or TOG II would just never reach the battlefield ever.
Sure it would take them longer to get into useful position. But they might perform better, in having longer ranges to use their powerful guns with less chance of being flanked. Their armor would also be more effective in most cases.
Drop the Centurion 1 to 5.3. You should not be able to see Tiger IIs in this thing. Optional nerf: make the ammo layout objectively trash like in every other Centurion. The ONLY thing the Centurion has justifying it at 6.0 is a better chassis for the 17 pounder than anything else before it, and I don’t think that’s remotely enough to justify letting an unstabilized solid shot shooter see heavy tanks where the gameplay dynamic boils down to ‘I have to be extremely precise against this thing that barely has to aim against me’. Cry skill issue all you want, but when the map pool is so heavily favored towards the APHE slingers (genuinely why on earth is Sinai still in the game) it’s kind of insane to ask the nation that is pretty much known for sniping to be infinitely more precise than the APHE boys.
I do have to agree with this, yeah
Though as someone who mostly prefers smaller maps and CQC, I actually don’t dislike Pradesh all that much (Apart from the horrid spawn locations). If they made more maps like that for the higher tiers, I wouldn’t mind. I’d actually probably agree and enjoy myself.
Edit: there are some tanks that would basically become instant “never spawning this one” if larger maps become the standard. Stuff like the Maus, T95, or TOG II would just never reach the battlefield ever.
Pradesh is fine, except for the fact that you can see it while queuing for 7.7 or 8.0. Like the map is kinda ass but it’s way less bad when you have laser rangefinders (or even rangefinders in general). If I’m first spawning the Conqueror in an 8.0 game there’s a problem.
Also I personally think 7.7 would be immensely improved if the Maus just disappeared instantly. Such an annoying tank to deal with.
i can see 5.7 but 5.3 might be the thing broken. but at the end of the day, it doesnt fix anything because Britain doesnt have a 5.7 or a 6.0 lineup
Drop the Centurion 1 to 5.3.
yeah so we’re not moving the literal MBT to 5.3 when it can pen tiger 2s frontally, yeah? sound good? This tank is in no way comparable to any 5.3s in game and is just better
Bruh what am I gonna do with 94mm pen 😭
I get it’s bad but like come on lol
that part of the turret that you can pen is the exact same part of the turret that 95% of the tanks that face tiger 2 and use conventional ap/aphe have to shoot
that is where 7.7 soviet heavy tanks have to shoot with a 122mm
I’d never say that I can pen a Panther frontally with a 17 pounder because I just can’t. It’s just the mantlet.
That’s a crazy way to think, if you go around telling people the 17 pdr cant pen the panther frontally you’re going to get called some crazy names and they won’t be flattering
I can only pen a Tiger 2 via the mantlet.
Uhh, you mean the turret face? I hope you aren’t shooting the gun mantlet.
I hope you understand there’s an inherent difference between an APHE slinger shooting the turret face and a solid shot slinger shooting the turret face. Also, as far as I know, Tiger 2’s actually have to like, think about where to shoot a 7.7 Soviet heavy tank. They really don’t have to with a centurion
also whatever I got terminiology wrong I’ve killed tiger 2s I know how to kill tiger 2s my point should be clear.
I hope you understand there’s an inherent difference between an APHE slinger shooting the turret face and a solid shot slinger shooting the turret face.
Sure, but the Tiger 2’s ammo is directly in the back of the turret and it doesn’t take much for a shell to reach the ammo. Besides that, you also definitely disabled the tiger 2 with that shot if it pens and the tiger 2 is not exactly going to speed away before you can get followup shots
Also, as far as I know, Tiger 2’s actually have to like, think about where to shoot a 7.7 Soviet heavy tank. They really don’t have to with a centurion
yeah its also a 6.0 tank and not a 6.7 tank, br compression is just bad in this game
believe it or not but Tiger 2’s have an even easier time killing every other centurion because they have the dumbass frontal ammo rack that’s beside the driver for some reason. Literally only the centurion 1 has a good ammo layout. Also it’s weirdly hard to get to a Tiger 2’s ammo with the 17 pounder unless you’re pre-loading sabot, which I don’t do because I want to get kills lmao
yeah, its quite annoying that they think an extra pole and being moved to the back makes it so they can’t fully swing/elevate like on the M6/T1E1
Itpsv Leopard 8.7 > 9.3
Nah you’re insane there are proxy spaas at 9.0 and IR slingers at 9.3 it has no business going there 8.7 is the highest it can get