I was talking about the Tiger 1’s, yes.
The Tiger 2’s are at least somewhat more adaptable, but not because of their armour, mind you (Since you start getting into HEAT/APDS territory). They just have an excellent gun.
In a full uptier they’re best played as turreted TD’s, rather then true heavies, but even so they do that job quite well.
The VK is hardly the first vehicle to bully enemies it faces in a full downtier - that’s the nature of the game, Many, many vehicles can do this.
Which is why I advocate for a 2-step difference in BR instead of 3. The VK, like many other 5.0 vehicles, should not be facing 4.0 enemies.
These are kinda poor examples, as for the most part these all can handle full uptiers reasonably, where their armor is still somewhat useable and they have a punchy enough gun to deal damage.
Tiger II, and Tiger H both can reasonably handle full uptiers as well as the jumbo (and even 76 due to a quicker reload, but its armor is useless in 7.3), Churchill’s with addon track armor can reliably bounce the German 75mm, even the American 76mm, and the Russian 85mm. Then you have the black prince which has nearly 300 pen with its fast firing APDS rounds.
As I’ve said before, the worst tanks to have in full uptiers that are heavies are typically Soviet.
-KV-1E: lacks penetration to fight 5.3s
-Kv-220: too long of a reload despite two loaders, and a giant weakspot in the gun, with a low power round.
-IS-2(all variants): too many weakspots, and an egregiously long reload.
-IS-3/4/6: too long of a reload, and a round that is really only good up to 7.7, even then things like the Maus will just deflect it.
And alot of them have at most -2 or -3 gun depression
Yeah I could see that. Granted I usually only fire Pzgr. And some HE.
It typically gets the job done
Germany 7.3 is pretty goated btw
@Fizzy_Elf1
Yes ideally a 2.0, 2.5, 3.0 be system would be ideal…
But all I’m saying is the VK is worse than the KV-1B when it comes to seal clubbing and many many people despised that tank.
But because of stats and the vast majority of Vk players just holding W it’s a bad vehicle? No.
The VK is pretty good all things considered.
When I play it, I typically only die if I get 3v1’d or more.
I’m not saying it’s a bad vehicle at all - I’m saying it does not need to go up in BR.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this.
7.3 is mid AF, just play 7.7 definitely a more fun lineup and with the m48 and mus are peak downtier clubbers
It has:
High mobility
Good armor
192mm pen on a good gun
Smoke grenades
The only true con:
Slow turret traverse.
Like if this was a Russian tank it would’ve been 5.3 or 5.7 a long time ago lol.
M47 and RU251 are goated.
Eh don’t have them maybe eventually I’ll buy them
Besides 380mm go bonk especially when drunk as hell
Not sure what you didn’t understand about agree to disgree.
As for ZSU and 341 … I have used neither but here’s my 2 cents…
coughradarandtwoplanestabilzercough.
Have a great day!
Which ZSU btw?
I don’t think he got the meme.
ZSU-37-2 (flak 341) is the same tank lol.
But in either case he can disagree, the VK is factually too strong for 5.0
Also, I knew the 38cm was really strong… but to block a T-62??? WTFF
I was down maybe 10 or 12 Akvavit playing that match. I was simply to drunk to be penned by some lowly tank
Ah, I see.
I too pour vodka into my fuel tank, that way my T-34-85 can go 900mph, and bounce nuclear bombs.
while i do love both the m47 and ru251, having your lineup where the base non discounted cost is 100 usd, is not practical, and even then those are your only real vehicles, the weisel and luchs are both meme machines that cant do much.
also for the man panther, youre forgetting the poor side armour. you know a very critical weak spot for early panthers. its like not bringing up the jumbo’s lower side plate as being a weakspot, doing so is just a disservice for your own argument.
Generally tank battle are head to head.
So no, I don’t generally account for side armor.
Especially when the VK, and jumbo are meant to be played head on.
As for the m47 and Ru251, I only buy stuff when it’s 50% off or more.
I just noticed the KV-1E just does not get the BR-350SP APBC round of the KV-1 (L-11) for whatever reason. Wouldn’t be a huge pen boost over BR-350B, but I see no harm in adding that round so that it has one more potential option against better armored vehicles.
Yeah, I can agree that the IS-2’s are a bit overtiered, especially the model '44. Gajin really wanted to make the IS-2 an analogue to the Tiger II imo, when they just aren’t comparable. I’m fine with them going down, but remove the BR-471D round from the '44. It’s a 50’s round anyways that would be better if saved for the IS-2M to make it more distinct from the WW2 versions.
Given the lack of brain cells the players here have I expect the Sotka to move up to 4.3 while the better T34s sit at 4.0
Still imo, the best 4.0 tank hands down and the others at 4.3 and 4.7 are the best tanks for their BR
Ngl excelsior over all. And if it’s getting HE filler in the M61, it’s gonna be the absolute goat.
