Ground Vehicles **PROPOSED** RB battle rating changes

so? Every tank suffers in up tiers, and with the same logic good luck trying to do much in 11.3 matches with a only a 30mm, maybe the kv220 suffers in uptiers but it dominates in down tiers

even if it was not locked behind a paywall it wouldn’t go under 2.0 k/d as it is now its too good,

you compare a heavy with a medium, the KV220 is the best heavy tank in 6.0, and the PUMA is the worst 10.3 so still i cant see why the kv220 should get a buff while its a top5 tank in 6.0
(also i never see personal stats because i don’t care but i made an exception and you personally have 3.42 k/d with the kv220 while a 1.6 with the T-V and 1.1 with the PUMA so you personally should know that the KV220 is too good and if it needs anything its not a buff but a nerf )

Not as much as Soviet ones, generally in full uptiers, Soviet heavies are worthless, because they’ve been uptiered to death.

Also nice whataboutism, but I’ll indulge it. The Puma is where it is due to a variety of factors.

  1. Its original state, which was an instant win button
  2. If the Puma is over br’d then surely the bmp-2M is given it has a fraction of the Pumas armor no? Yet I think the bmp-2M is fine where it is.
  3. The puma only began to become balanced when modules like the fcs were added.

Btw:
BMP-2M 1.26
BMD-4M 2.20
BMP-3 0.86
BMP-2 0.85
2s38 1.6
2s25m 1.11
2s25 0.71
BTR-82AT 1.06

M1128 Wolfpack 1.19
CCVL 1.12
M3 Bradley 1.46
HSTVL 1.42
Xm800T 1.36
XM8 1.55
M1296 0.52
M3A3 Bradly 0.83
M1128 1.33

Beglit 1.27
Radkampf90 1.42
Puma 1.15
Tam 1.10
Tam 2IP 1.25
R400 1.19

(Outliers, didn’t play but 3-4 games with them).
Boxer MGS 0.20
Vilkas 0.40

Notice a trend?

Best 6.0 heavy, in your opinion, my opinion is the Black Prince is actually better. But its mobility is limiting.

Because they’re the same br? And the circumstances between both are vastly different, things you don’t see.

I got the T-V years ago, and had lower level crews, and tried to dumb funny things with it like blend in with the enemy teams.
Vs the KV-220 where I actually began to care about my stats shortly before getting it, and i instantly purchased an ace crew for… thank god, because using it with an expert crew was torture.

Btw:





Notice how it has exactly the same reload as other heavy tanks, despite having an extra loader?
Add on the fact its armor is not as all powerful as people claim. In fact the Tiger E has better turret armor generally, including the commanders hatch.

So if you disagree in a Br change, then clearly you agree it’s reload should be buffed no?

“Make this tank that’s basically a casemate and not that good a 5.3.” You guys won’t be happy till every German thing is at a BR where it’s effectively terrible, especially with map designs and how WT functions already not doing them any favors.

Since you are uptiered 75% of the time, when you play the VK you are seeing 5.3 and 5.7 a lot more often than you are seeing 4.7 and 4.3.

The VK has good forward speed and crap reverse (I think only some UK tanks have worse).
The turret rotation can be crippling - I think only the M10 GMC has it worse.

The VK has significantly worse armor than the Panther D and same top speed.
The modest hp/ton advantage the VK has over the D does not make up for the above.

Having them at same BR is not reasonable IMO.

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woudnt even bother with scorp when it comes to the kv220, the person blatantly stated multiple times they only play the kv220 and wants it buffed because it cant be used in every match, even though the 85 is still good for a 6.0 vehicle.

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They would not be the same br.

Panther D: 5.7
Vk.30.02: 5.3

The Vk has increased torque and acceleration due to lack of armor, it also

The Vk only lacks 20mm frontal armor on the hull and turret btw, and has the same firepower.

They’re so similar in fact, they should’ve been the same br to begin with.

Incorrect. I do not only “play the KV-220” I have only 73 matches in it.

It’s cannon is not effective to fight 6.7s or 7.0s

Do you know why the T-34-85 STP, and the T-44(FM) kind of can? (Fight 6.7s and barely 7.0s). Meanwhile the KV-220 cannot?

correct, you do play other vehicles, however thats not what i meant and you know it, i was stating that you only play the kv220, when youre playing that br.

you cant weasel out of this because other people in this thread pointed out that most heavy tanks dont deal with uptiers well, yet your counter argument is, you dont have other vehicles because you only want to play the kv220.

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What? Go find where I ever said:

Also,

Also incorrect, many heavy tanks can deal with a full uptier. Additionally, I do not play the KV-220 the most at that br.

If I had the choice between the 220 and the heavy tank no.6 (effectively similar tanks, both are likely slightly over br’d) I’d much rather take the Heavy tank no.6, as it’s turret it technically better, and it’s faster in mobility, and turret traverse.

The hull armor is technically better on the 220, but again the turret armor is better on the Tiger.

They have the same reload, and the normal Tiger gets smoke grenades, in which the KV-220 and No.6 do not.

Yeah, uptiers were decently common before the BR changes. However, now you literally CANNOT get your own BR or a downtier, it’s pretty bad lol.

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Before the br change, it was like 75% full downtiers, now it’s like 100% full uptiers

not at 4.0 lmao, especially not for british 4.0.

also I can guarantee that british 8.X has not gotten any better and will be 100% full uptiers like usual

Yes it was 75% downtiers for 4.0 Britain.

My excelsior is proof.

we have vastly different experiences because I was getting near constant uptiers of some variety

Oh yeah, me and my 3 buddies were all playing the hell out of the Excelsior because it’s an REALLY good tank… and we just got it.

ok queuing with friends and solo queuing are vastly different experiences of course you’re gonna get a matchmaker experience different than me

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China:
VT5: 11.7->11.0
Why on earth is this tank at 11.7 while the Booker is at 10.7?

i cant disagree on that.

i have only 1 tank left to finish the soviet ground TT so i know very good were Russia suffers, the IS-2 1944 should be 6.3 the IS-2 at 6.0 and then add the IS-2M at 6.7

yes because it was 8.7

BMP-2M is a monster and ages better than the puma in almost everything and its fine at 10.3 so its seems unfair the puma and bmp2m be in the same br

so that now when you fire at the turret and you lose all of the modulus and maybe all the ammo its useless the same with the Namers if a dude 0.50cal you or a random sabot hit you you lose all the ammo and good luck getting it back, tanks with external ammo should get ammo boxes , so as you said it yourself the PUMA is constantly getting Nerfed why not moved it at 10.0 and i don’t thing so 9.0 will have a problem killing it

lol i do this all the time if i didn’t play goofy i would have leave the game

i don’t want anything to happened to it, at 6.0 its a good tank as it is no need to change anything as for a reload they could cut of same seconds but still it doesn’t need them. (and reminder the T-34-85(STP) IS 6.3 for no reason than the stab, if anything should get a br redaction it should be the STP )

Work out the effective armor of the front plates for the VK and and the D.
It’s not “only 20 mm”.

Even with solo queue.

I was just saying I was playing it a lot with them cuz we all happened to get it.