4.7 has always been a very popular BR. It’s one of the best low tier lineups for the British for example.
Yes, which is what I was getting at, only the more popular nations get a proper 4.7, US and Germany not so much.
Personally I’d count Japan but that’s just cause I love the Chi To’s tbh
Regardless 5.0 and 4.7 are both very popular
Unfortunately without a 3.7 lineup to play I’ve been going back to fix my KD in the Anti lol. I forgot how useless it was as a SPAA
I’ve had a 100% uptier rate at 4.0 since the br adjustments.
That’s because the vk30.02 is a very prolific tank that also should’ve been nerfed as well.
Baby panther?
Not sure it can be considered prolific with spawn-kill ratio < 1 and win rate of 47%.
How would you nerf it?
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Honestly would be worth doing at this point. We already have the AVRE and NA75 anyways, which use more or largely the same hull, and the AVRE has a similar turret barring the addition of applique. They could pretty easily reuse current assets to remake the Churchill III.
This would be pretty good bang for their buck since they can make 3 different Churchill variants by just making a few small tweaks to one updated base model.
We could have the current Churchill III dropped to 3.7 with the gun stats corrected.
A mid-production version could fill its place at 4.0, being more or less the same as it is currently with an actual 6pdr Mk.V and a slightly expanded ammunition selection.
And a late model with turret and hull applique and access to APDS would nicely fill the 4.3 slot.
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Making it a 5.3 is sufficient
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but in what way exactly is it prolific? Stats say otherwise.
And making it same BR as Panther D does not make much sense.
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@UniqueScorpions-live i still cant understand why you want a menace like the KV-220 get a reload buff or go down to br with a 2.29 k/d, while the PUMA with 0.66 k/d should stay at 10.3 because of the “survivability”
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Yea VK is fine at 5.0 i don’t see the problem
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4.0 has been broken for a while. I play 4.0 britian quite a bit and it’s like 85% full uptiers. The matchmaker is so bad
I’m going to answer both here.
- The VK’s stats can be crap but it can be a good vehicle. This tank commonly sees 4.0 or 4.3 matches, which makes it more like a fast heavy tank with the only con being turret traverse.
- problem is it’s a German vehicle, where most players funnel into this nation. Meaning even good vehicle can have crap stats.
- The KV-220 is commonly put into 7.0 matches… good luck trying to do much with a 5.7 cannon, and even then 6.7 is also just as bad.
- this tank has great stats as does the E100, for one simple fact rarity. The sum of its parts do not mean it is in a great place right now.
- the panther (T-V) at the same br is better in all ways but armor.
so? Every tank suffers in up tiers, and with the same logic good luck trying to do much in 11.3 matches with a only a 30mm, maybe the kv220 suffers in uptiers but it dominates in down tiers
even if it was not locked behind a paywall it wouldn’t go under 2.0 k/d as it is now its too good,
you compare a heavy with a medium, the KV220 is the best heavy tank in 6.0, and the PUMA is the worst 10.3 so still i cant see why the kv220 should get a buff while its a top5 tank in 6.0
(also i never see personal stats because i don’t care but i made an exception and you personally have 3.42 k/d with the kv220 while a 1.6 with the T-V and 1.1 with the PUMA so you personally should know that the KV220 is too good and if it needs anything its not a buff but a nerf )
Not as much as Soviet ones, generally in full uptiers, Soviet heavies are worthless, because they’ve been uptiered to death.
Also nice whataboutism, but I’ll indulge it. The Puma is where it is due to a variety of factors.
- Its original state, which was an instant win button
- If the Puma is over br’d then surely the bmp-2M is given it has a fraction of the Pumas armor no? Yet I think the bmp-2M is fine where it is.
- The puma only began to become balanced when modules like the fcs were added.
Btw:
BMP-2M 1.26
BMD-4M 2.20
BMP-3 0.86
BMP-2 0.85
2s38 1.6
2s25m 1.11
2s25 0.71
BTR-82AT 1.06
M1128 Wolfpack 1.19
CCVL 1.12
M3 Bradley 1.46
HSTVL 1.42
Xm800T 1.36
XM8 1.55
M1296 0.52
M3A3 Bradly 0.83
M1128 1.33
Beglit 1.27
Radkampf90 1.42
Puma 1.15
Tam 1.10
Tam 2IP 1.25
R400 1.19
(Outliers, didn’t play but 3-4 games with them).
Boxer MGS 0.20
Vilkas 0.40
Notice a trend?
Best 6.0 heavy, in your opinion, my opinion is the Black Prince is actually better. But its mobility is limiting.
Because they’re the same br? And the circumstances between both are vastly different, things you don’t see.
I got the T-V years ago, and had lower level crews, and tried to dumb funny things with it like blend in with the enemy teams.
Vs the KV-220 where I actually began to care about my stats shortly before getting it, and i instantly purchased an ace crew for… thank god, because using it with an expert crew was torture.
Btw:
Notice how it has exactly the same reload as other heavy tanks, despite having an extra loader?
Add on the fact its armor is not as all powerful as people claim. In fact the Tiger E has better turret armor generally, including the commanders hatch.
So if you disagree in a Br change, then clearly you agree it’s reload should be buffed no?
“Make this tank that’s basically a casemate and not that good a 5.3.” You guys won’t be happy till every German thing is at a BR where it’s effectively terrible, especially with map designs and how WT functions already not doing them any favors.
Since you are uptiered 75% of the time, when you play the VK you are seeing 5.3 and 5.7 a lot more often than you are seeing 4.7 and 4.3.
The VK has good forward speed and crap reverse (I think only some UK tanks have worse).
The turret rotation can be crippling - I think only the M10 GMC has it worse.
The VK has significantly worse armor than the Panther D and same top speed.
The modest hp/ton advantage the VK has over the D does not make up for the above.
Having them at same BR is not reasonable IMO.
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woudnt even bother with scorp when it comes to the kv220, the person blatantly stated multiple times they only play the kv220 and wants it buffed because it cant be used in every match, even though the 85 is still good for a 6.0 vehicle.
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They would not be the same br.
Panther D: 5.7
Vk.30.02: 5.3
The Vk has increased torque and acceleration due to lack of armor, it also
The Vk only lacks 20mm frontal armor on the hull and turret btw, and has the same firepower.
They’re so similar in fact, they should’ve been the same br to begin with.
Incorrect. I do not only “play the KV-220” I have only 73 matches in it.
It’s cannon is not effective to fight 6.7s or 7.0s
Do you know why the T-34-85 STP, and the T-44(FM) kind of can? (Fight 6.7s and barely 7.0s). Meanwhile the KV-220 cannot?
correct, you do play other vehicles, however thats not what i meant and you know it, i was stating that you only play the kv220, when youre playing that br.
you cant weasel out of this because other people in this thread pointed out that most heavy tanks dont deal with uptiers well, yet your counter argument is, you dont have other vehicles because you only want to play the kv220.
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What? Go find where I ever said:
Also,
Also incorrect, many heavy tanks can deal with a full uptier. Additionally, I do not play the KV-220 the most at that br.
If I had the choice between the 220 and the heavy tank no.6 (effectively similar tanks, both are likely slightly over br’d) I’d much rather take the Heavy tank no.6, as it’s turret it technically better, and it’s faster in mobility, and turret traverse.
The hull armor is technically better on the 220, but again the turret armor is better on the Tiger.
They have the same reload, and the normal Tiger gets smoke grenades, in which the KV-220 and No.6 do not.