HESH isn’t even modeled as HE with more pen, it’s a straight up downgrade to HE 90% of the time. These stupid SPAAs I get matched against with my 105s wouldn’t be nearly as bad if I had regular HE, but it’s HESH so it doesn’t do anything at the angles/with the shots I’d use HE for, same with the TOW launchers. The FV’s HESH is also really bad, despite it’s comedic size. That’s more to do with the FV as a vehicle in general though. (lowkey the FV should just be an unconditional instant kill if it connects with your tank but that’s also really really bad game design). Even without its stupid HESH, the T58 still has a HEAT round and a 2 second reload which is still incredibly good, plus it has an oscillating turret which makes it a pain in the a** to shoot with APDS. I think the final conclusion is that this vehicle shouldn’t even be in the game because it’s a balancing nightmare but Gaijin hasn’t even attempted to balance it after moving it to 8.7.
The Churchill III is pretty well armored for the appropriate BR games, and is a straight bully in down tiers if you’re kind of intelligent with how you play, which is a rarity for me but I get kills anyway (it’s basically a better Matilda, sort of). With that being said, constant uptiers make it kind of painful to play a lot of the time. I love it so much, but sometimes I just wish I could slot an Avenger over my Achilles in my 4.0 lineup and not be queuing for 4.7.
This is why I clarifed it should still be somewhere 9.0ish even if the HESH got nerfed. The flaws of HEAT as a shell are easily compensated for by the 2.5 second reload and very trollish turret. Hell, the same goes for the lack of a stabilizer.
The difference is the Matilda has 75mm of turret armour and the turret cheeks are sloped back at 2.7. Whereas 1.3 BR’s higher the Churchill Mk III only has an extra 14mm of protection and is completely flat. Due to sloping even the Sherman turret cheeks has similar levels of armour as the Churchill.
What needs to be done is Gaijin need to fix the 6-Pdr. It should be a Mk III (penetration nerf) instead of the Mk V it currently has, then drop it to 3.7
this would not fix the problem of the matchmaker giving constant uptiers
I don’t think we need ANOTHER low tier british tank that can completely ruin full down tiers. It’s already very strong on the occasion you get a 3.0 game.
2a. This would also make the KV-1 matchup even more annoying.
I wouldn’t call a win rate of 45.8% and a KD of 0.88 overpowered. I think you missed the part where it’d also be nerfed along with the BR drop. It would remove it from 5.0 uptiers.
Also, you seem to be forgetting that:
It’s actually got less turret armour than the Mk I. Worse speed and power-to-weight as well.
A better armoured version of the hull already exists at 2.7 with the AVRE having tracks and the 20mm applique.
The Churchill Mk VII is fine. It has a higher win rate and the same KD as the Mk III. All the Mk VII needs is M61 APHE.
The AVRE is literally a Churchill VII with a mortar in the turret. It’s really bad for a number of reasons the main one being it has a maximum range of 150 meters. There’s also very little effective difference between a 4.7 full uptier and a 5.0 full uptier.
Giving the VII APHE would make the NA75 redundant and that’s why it’s not happening, it would also gigabuff all of the other british 75s, and Gaijin isn’t going to be doing that. The british 75 is ass, the reason the Churchill VII has such good stats is because the only people willing to put up with the british 75 are cracked.
Churchill III AVRE, which we have. Look at the welded turret, square side doors, square Besa mounting. All clear signs it’s a Mk III.
Churchill VII AVRE
Completely different vehicles and guns. The Mk VII AVRE has the 165mm L9, same weapon as on the Centurion AVRE.
The NA75 is 4.3, so no, you get a lower BR for a far worse hull and turret. Also, the British 75mm is only ass because Gaijin allow it to be ass. It can and did fire M61 APHE. The whole no British APHE is a massive misconception that needs to die. The British specifically developed it to fire US ammo and the US produced both M61 shell and shot - it’s literally in US manuals.
No they didn’t, again, this is a misconception that needs to die. They received already inert M61 ammo from US factories, even the US used them. The British have M61 APHE listed in their manuals.
The Type 16 (p) is pretty solid ever since it got its DM23 round and I think it should probably move up given how easy it is to seal club. Additionally the current type 16 should be 10.0 and given dm33
my brother in christ the NA75 uses the sherman’s gun and the VII uses the british 75, even if they both got APHE the NA75’s round would still be objectively better (marginally)
The Ram II is also a premium, there’s a big difference there. Of course the vehicle you have to pay real money for is going to be better than the relatively early tech tree vehicle.
