“no bro trust me the tank that can’t be frontpenned by most of the US Tech tree up to that point is bad, nah man my APHEBC isn’t absurd you just aren’t angled enough. KV-1 players aren’t [redacted so I don’t get filtered] the tank is just bad”
you sound ridiculous. KV-1s are objectively good tanks, they’re also early tech tree tanks. Do you see how this might affect the stats? Tigers suffer from the same problem of bad players padding the stats with bad results, and nobody calls tigers bad. Why is that?
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I’m never giving a singular cent to gaijin, but if I did, it would probably be the black prince. My favorite low tier tank combined with my favorite low tier gun? Sign me up!
You still have yet to prove these magical penetrating spots you claim.
We are talking mostly about KVs being:
Not that churchil is better/worse than them. The guy is trying to make it about it but the point from the beginning was only about KVs and how they perform (especially KV-220 that has 85mm gun with 135mm pen at 6.0 ((he wants it to be higher)) and around 100mm of armor ((90mm around the gun)))
What are you even talking about here?
Please tell me what KV can’t be frontpenned by us vehicles at its respective B.R. range?
KVs are only good against bad players, nothing else. M24 is far better than any KV at its respective B.R. range, not to mention M4A2.
Of course they do, like people thinking that Tiger I is worse than KV-220.
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Well yeah I was talking in regards to playing the KV-1 against the Churchill.
As for the KV-220 it’s still one of my favorite vehicles to use at 6.0
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hop in customs I can prove a lot of it with a t-34-76
Roof Weakness Proven. Even if that shot doesn’t work on a spaded VII (I wouldn’t know I despise using the British 75), you can just shoot through the tracks for an ammo rack.
I never said this at all. I think all the KVs (except maybe the swedish premium) are appropriately BR’d. I don’t like fighting them but they aren’t overpowered, just annoying. I also think the US 75 is an extremely mid gun but that’s 100% because the matchmaker is in such a state where uptiers are constant and you have to deal with low velocity mid pen against things that have neither all the time. Shermen are objectively good tanks, they just aren’t made to cope with a matchmaker like this.
the exact same thing can a BMPT player say
What you’re actually proving is that the rounds are skipping off the roof for the most part and going into the commander’s hatch and causing a kill.
It’s also not consistent, or likely to happen in a real match.
I think it’s a bit odd that the KV-1s have very slow reloads overall. Compared to similarly armed T-34’s, the turrets are a lot roomier, and they have some turret ammunition stowage. Oc, the current reloads are just a balance decision, but I’m curious how giving them 6~6.5 sec reloads would affect their BRs, if at all.
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The US 75 cannot do this. Getting roof shot with a Churchill is actually fairly common when you’re playing against the Soviets. Put a good amount of time into the Churchill 3 if you don’t believe me. I know the weaknesses of my tanks because I play them. You don’t know the weaknesses of my tanks because you are hard carried by the early soviet tech tree. And besides, longways through the tracks for an ammo rack (or an overpressure if you’re using your lower pen round). Churchills are not hard to kill. That’s besides the point anyway. The angled performance of soviet APHEBC makes up for the lack of raw penetration a huge amount of the time, it’s part of why T-34s are insane. Put some time into Churchills and get back to me.
Also what are you talking about. It’s straight up penning the turret roof (you can see the straight line through the armor). It might look like it’s skipping to you because the line is comically long but it’s a penetration. You can prove this with the Churchill VII shot because the KV-1 literally cannot pen the cupola of that tank as it’s 115mm cast.
The KV-1E’s reload used to be 5.9 secs. But it was nerfed, as well as its br.
But with your ammo storage statement, it seems like ammo gets placed everywhere it shouldn’t.
The IS-6/4 are pretty good example of ammo being everywhere.
But the KV-220 is all stored in the hull unless you bring full ammo. ( again why is this 7.4 secs to load? It isn’t the roomiest turret, but it has 2 loaders.)
Well I can respect your taste in tanks at least. Anyway this 100% penned.
The shot on the VII didn’t even stay inside the top of the roof that went into the crew compartment.
Yes, as I said, it’s seemingly rare, but most shots seem to pen more near the commanders hatch correct ?
In your video, both kill shots were near the commanders hatch, and especially on the Churchill 7 it looks like it dug in a little, then hit the commanders hatch and exploded.
If you think the KVs are bad. Try a Pz.4 G or similar 75mm. Those will just pen you every where.
Honestly the biggest weakness of the churchills are the lack of APHE
NA75 lol, unfortunately that one suffers from just having terrible armor
Churchill’s turret roof is 20mm and the L-11s fuse sensitivity is 14mm. It fused, APHE just doesn’t detonate instantly. And even if it didn’t fuse immediately on the Churchill III for whatever reason, it went through so much material that it would have fused regardless. Also also it’s detonating way past the Commander’s hatch on the III.
Also Panzer 4s can kill me instantly but they are WAY easier to kill back than KVs.
NA75 is honestly very good I just kinda fell off of low velocity 75s after playing so much with the 6 pounder. I think the churchill 3 is easily the best one
Generally the church hills can pen KVs way easier than a KV can pen a Churchhill, again the trade off is HE Filler.
And, yes 14mm fuze, however, the plate is angled and the shell is digging into metal, making the 20mm into more like 60mm of armor.
So yes it makes sense why it fuses. And if it’s that low armored, you aren’t stopping a lot.
See I like the Churchill 3 but the NA75 is just so meh compared to it for me
That would make sense if anyone else at the appropriate BR could pen a churchill’s turret roof. Except they can’t. That is an extreme angle for a round to go through and most rounds just don’t have the angled performance to do it. I can definitively tell you that the US 75 cannot, and that has more raw pen than the L-11.