Agreed, but it should get some of the better rounds its currently missing just so that its not too reliant on ever reliable HEAT rounds for dealing with heavier armor.
Giving it an MG 34 mounted behind the shield on the roof would also be nice, but this should happen regardless of if it goes up. I see no point not letting vehicles have their roof MGs.
10.5 cm Pzgr. Rot (APHECBC)
Slightly lower muzzle velocity than the current APHE round, but has sufficient peirce a KV-1 side-on at close range. The explosive mass is slightly greater, and it also has the benefits of being a “-CBC” round.
10.5 cm F.H.Gr. F (HE)
Greater explosive mass and velocity compared to current HE round.
While there are also HE-DS and APHECBC-DS rounds, they would only make sense for a late model StuG 42 G without a muzzle break.
Assuming they never give them filled M61, then sure. Otherwise they’d need to go to 4.0 with the mid-production Shermans.
Ideally, the Centaurs I and III would added in-place of the current Cromwells if they get moved up so that its no loss to line-ups.
The Italian Pz.IV G has the L/48, making it essentially a faster Pz.IV H without hull skirts. If you’re going to move the Pz.IV H to 4.3, the Italian Pz.IV G has to match it.
It needs to go to 4.3-4.7. That quick of an reload combined with large caliber APHE and HE is still going to be broken at 4.0.
No way the H should be at 4.3
G at 3.7 and H at 4.0
It’s not like the vehicles are overperforming, and you can’t base the BR solely on the players at 2.7
Do you really want the H facing Jumbo 75? That’s nuts.
Since many players have advocated for British tanks to get this round. It’s not outside the realm of possibility. Since we’re already entertaining a hypothetical BR change, might as well account for a hypothetical ammunition buff.
I’m just calling for consistency within the logic of his own proposal.
In the official balance thread that just closed the other day, I personally suggested that the Pz.IV H and Pz.IV G (L/48) only go up to 4.0, and for the regular Pz.IV G to only go up to 3.7.
It’s not about overperforming it’s about spacing them away from 2.0 to 2.7 tanks. 1.0 uptiers are incredibly painful for this bracket, especially for people just learning the game.
Too many losses frustrates people and could cause them to leave. I’ve personally had a dozen friends join the game and give up because of balance issues at low tier.
Are you including the short barreled models in that statement?
Assuming we’re only talking about the longer barreled versions, I’m generally in agreement. Only one I would leave be is the F2 since it’s a bit of a glass cannon. I know the gun is really strong for its BR, and is technically the most mobile of the long-barreled Pz.IV’s, but it does all come at the cost of armor, meaning most lower rank vehicles can still fare well against it.
I’m not sure the Pz.IV J needs to go up either. Ig you could do that, but then its back to the same issue of being a worse Pz.IV H at the same BR.
Did they use bursting charge M61 though? Afaik, the British went out of their way to replace the HE filler with solid metal in the M61’s they received. The only record I know of, of Britain using bursting charge shells, is when Grant/Lee crews in Africa put German 75mm shells in M72 casings.
So the G going to 3.7 and the H going to 4.0 is more reasonable.
You are correct - it’s the arcade version that is 5.3
But I still think 2 steps is too much.
The Pz 4 H would regularly face 5.0 vehicles that outclass it by a fair amount, and even some cold war vehicles like the PT76B.
And it’s not just ground opponents - the air enemies would be stronger as well.
Only at the cost of most nations now losing their 3.7 vehicles and now having inferior CAS and CAP, while losing some vehicles entirely because they lack a lineup. And now they just compressed 4.x lol
All these BR changes do have the time is recompress and area and in a year they’ll undo these because they didn’t move the tier above up.
