BMPT 15.0
BMPT72 14.7
RU only versus RU removed for all other Nation s thank you
I agree however I think the PZH without a laser rangefinder can stay at 7.7. The PZH in general can be harder for the mindless mid tier german mains who are not used to paper thin armour. (going from King tigers to wiesels in 1 br is tough especially when you are used to head ons rather than flanking). Plus the PZH is very big and can’t peak without being shot at. And don’t even get me started with the CAS. I think putting it up a tier with a laser range finder (unlocked) makes it easier for the PZH since not everything has 200mm+ armour
One has slightly better armour than the other, can actually survive some hits. Type61/STA-3 have a worse reverse gear, but better HP/T.
-
Type61/STA-3 = 18.9 hp/t at 45.1 kmh forward and 8km/h reverse
-
M46 = 16.38 hp/t at 48km/h forward and 19.3km/h reverse (Note this is with stock modifications so spaded is probably around ~17 hp/t I’d assume)
The major armour difference and reload difference is what would make spcifically the STA-3 (Not Type61) a sidegrade or compromise to the M46, so they could be same BR due to this. (7.0)
Type 61 shares the same reload as the M46 aced, but has the worse armour, top speed and reverse gear, and the mobility increase (mobility as in hp/t) is fairly negligible on part of the Type 61. Thus it is fine at 6.7, but in the event of BR decompression could most likely move up another notch.
Would be nice if the Type 61 had its reload buffed to between that of the STA-3 and M46. Something around 6.5~7.0 seconds.
It does have the ammunition in a rear bustle pointed towards the breech, rather than mounted vertically along the walls towards the turret front like the M46. This means its not a huge leap in logic to justify a little buff. Could possibly apply similar logic retroactively to the STA-1 and STA-2 as well.
I don’t know if this reload buff would be sufficient to bump them up to 7.0, but I figure its an idea worth throwing out there.
They’re already worth br 7.0 they’re very good tanks.
hmm…
I’ll have to play them first to get my opinion (I’m not too far off from them). If your on to something, I can see 7.0 being reasonable, but I still think the Type 61 should get a compensatory reload buff if it does go up.
1 Like
Oh that’s cool I didn’t know gaijin incorrectly modeled interior components on yet another tank, thanks for the info
Only the STA-3, Type 61 is a worse pick than M46 and STA-3, like Fourche7 said if it got its correctly modeled ammo and a reload buff it could be fine at 7.0 supposedly.
Not really
RU-251 is pretty much the same thing but faster, and a bit shorter. 90mm with heat FS, but a dedicated light tank.
Sta-3 (which ever one has the auto loader) has a stock 6.7 sec reload.
And neither are slouches in forward mobility.
Ngl I think I might get the premium one, it looks enticing
Is there a premium one? Is it unlisted or something? I haven’t seen one at least. Let me know :}
Oh yeah there is, well whaddaya know
1 Like
Yess the Type 61, i am not home, so I couldn’t check in game.
Sweet lil tank. I loved the normal one, so might as well get a premium one.
I need something to fill the void since I’m not as lucky as @ULQ_LOVER whom has things like the T18E2 and Surblinde
1 Like
Tbh the Aubl 74 HVG, even as bad as it is, had never really gotten much in terms of viable reload buffs, and its ammo sits about 8-10 inches from the gun.
And the Aubl is BAD… like the 60mm darts do such little damage it’s actually sickening.
They did finally buff it to 5.0 secs recently, but 4.5 or 4.25 secs for a 60mm dart to be loaded by the commander seems more than reasonable. Granted, this tank only sits 0.3 br under the Turm III.
1 Like
But they are nothing special at 6.7
I hope this is a troll post lmao
Or if you use the Stryker suspension ‘feature’
1 Like
ST-A3 has a much smaller first-stage than the Type 61, and since it is autoloaded, once you run out you can’t reload until the first stage has been refilled.
Type 61 also gets smoke grenades, which can be useful while repairing or retreating.
If the ST-A3 was just a faster reloading M46 with worse armour and mobility, maybe it would be fine at 7.0 but the limited first stage too just brings it down.
Roughly 25s to reload the first stage and then reload the round.
Meanwhile non-first stage M46 / Type 61 reload their rounds in ~10s.
But I’d say the reverse speed and armour of the M46 mostly makes up for the lack of a 6s reload.
They recently buffed the M46’s turret rotation speed to 25.5 degrees per second too, so there’s that.
2 Likes
The argument can definetly be made that it could stay at 6.7 given the worse armour and that 90mm HEATFS isnt really anything too special, but I’d say the most optimal solution is simply BR Decompression, although we all know how Gaijin feels about that.
Yeah the reverse gear is a pretty big deal at that BR too I’d say, also last i checked M46 had slightly worse rotation than the Type-61 at 21 or so degrees, was the buff recent or am I mixing things up maybe?
1 Like