And would you look at that, instant goal post moving.
Looking at all factors is… goal post moving? Neat. When you want to debate in good faith let me know.
The Bt-7 mod 1937 (BR 1.3)??? Is literally much better than the M-13/40 (Series 1), but for some reason, it has a lower BR than the M-13/40 (Series 1)???
List advantages of the Bt-7 (BR 1.3) compared to the M-13/40 (Series 1) BR 1.7:
- more faster.
- more agile.
- more manoeuvrable.
- Better reload
- And fires a shell with better penetration (73mm) compared to the M-14 (Series 1) which only has (50mm) penetration…
Mate, everyone knows the Bt-7 mod 1937 (BR 1.3) should be at least BR 1.7 You’ve used another example of Russian bias; otherwise, there’s no explaining why my M-13/40 (Series 1), which is literally weaker than the Bt-7 mod 1937 (BR 1.3), has a higher BR…
I’m not saying Bt-7 mod 1937 (BR 1.3) should be fighting at Tier 12.0, but it’s clear that this tank needs a tier increase, to at least Tier 1.7.
I’ll wrap up the discussion on the BT-7 that you started and get back to talking about the 2S38… Yes, the 2S38 should receive a further tier increase because, at its current tier, it’s not balanced.
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Do not start with that “Russian Bias” crap. I don’t care to hear what bias people think certain nations have, and the Russian bias non sense hasn’t been a thing in a while.
The M13/40 could go down in br you know?
But it has better armor than the BT-7 and is an Italian tank, which isn’t known for being good irl either, could it use a reload buff? Possibly.
Those are the things you should be saying instead of “Russian bias” because there’s a host of better vehicles around.
Secondly, no the 2s38 is right where it should be. There is little sense in trying to nerf it more, merely because you have a personal hatred of it.
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tbf the bt7 can go to 1.7 and it wont suffer at all
its a very good rank 1 tank
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In general i think some italian tanks are too high in BR. Often mobility and firepower are relatively meh. Armor too, except turret.
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But see, you aren’t preaching the Russian bias nonsense.
Therefore I can and will agree.
If you or he makes the addition, I will add it.
@Hetaeron
Especially top tier tanks. Centaurus and arietes are a bit too high
Thanks, I see that there are people who think and notice the inconsistencies in the BR system by Gaijin
If it bothers you, you can also not answer but I wanted to point out that it is not exactly like that:
- Firstly the double standards about what sources are needed for what. Ie. Kh38MTs existing without any proper proof as far as I know, Stingers being nerfed because Iglas perform worse etc
- Secondly the difference in survivability. Kind of going hand in hand with the previous point. NATO armor is just massively underperforming, especially when it comes to spall protection. Not to mention the turret basket, something that has nothing to do with the rotation mechanism and is meant to offer additional protection but in game it is destroying the rotation mechanism and performing the spall protection of a hand grenade while russian autoloaders eat everything no problem.
- Thirdly the absurdity with which Gaijin decides what vehicles are needed and where to put them BR wise. Especially because it usually gives Russia advantages. Example: BMPT, anything with Spikes, Pantsir, new Pantsir, Buk, Osa all outperform NATO variants
- Lastly the utter CAS dominance. For years Russia has almost nonstop had the combination of best SPAA and best CAS so you couldn’t counter either with which. Sure there have been few short breaks with the IRIST but then along came the BUK or the Spice bombs which were no Kh 38s but hey at least for once NATO had a long range guided munition, it’s slow and easy to intercept but better than nothing, and now we have the Pantsir 2.0
- Not to mention oddities like the literally worst navy having the best ship in game, a plane so heavy and unwieldy it needed escorts outturning Zeros etc etc
- At the top level Russia currently has:
- The best CAS weapon: KH38MT
- The best overall Armor: BMPT
- The best heli CAS weapon: LMUR
- The best all around SPAA: The Pantsir SMSV
- Overall, making them the best nation at top tier, no questions asked, if you play top tier right now, facing the Russians, you are getting absolutely stomped by hordes of players spawning the BMPT, then spawning in CAS aircraft and spamming KH38s (once again killing anything on the field. Then they spawn in helis and spam LMURs (which are always 1 taps due to thier unique loft gaijin decided to give to them buy not hellfires). Then they spawn Pantsirs, making it absolutely impossible to get anywhere near the fight with hypersonic 75g missiles and the ability to shoot down any and all missiles you do happen to get off.
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So true… there was a vote if warthunder needs daze mechanic where if penned crew would be for few seconds not responsive… it failed but snail in its infinite wisdom did the same, without any say from the comunity and just to NATO tanks…and not for few seconds but untill they repair.
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you should leave all of that for the designated containment thread
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this is simply not true, the vote failed and thats it
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@UniqueScorpions-live @Hetaeron Please take you personal disagreements in DMs in order to keep this topic clean and tidy.
Also just to clarify, no a user cannot delete posts or comment that aren’t their own, only moderation can do so.
Cheers,
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5s reload* and don’t forget about the fact that it has -12° of depression and a really mobile chasis
By moving ITPSV we get an entire BR of no AA for Sweden. VEAK40 is a horrendous AA becuase of bad radar, and ITPSV is basically competing with SAM launchers at that point which isn’t exactly fair. This will only make things worse, without adressing the core issue with it. To be fair, those BR changes are doing NOTHING with how absolutely BROKEN 35-mm SAP rounds are. You can uptier them all you want and they’ll still be OP as HECK. It would be cool to just remove SAP from belts entirely or replace them with APDS instead (I think SIDAM25 is a good enough example of what happens when you get a belt with no AP rounds whatsoever, poor bastard can’t even break tracks with those HE shells). I feel like 1/3 or 1/2 ratio of APDS to HE should be fine with how fast those cannons are firing. And for the love of god PLEASE give VEAK it’s HEVT back. It’s literally an anti-tank vehicle ONLY and even then it’s barely usable! Bkan is also a questionable one. You’re not fast, you have no turret, your armour is nonexistent and the only thing you have is a 3.2 second autoloader with 14 round ammorack TOTAL. If I’m being honest, last time I saw that thing in battle was… A while ago. At br LOWER we have 2S3M which I can safely say is better in most ways: it’s faster, it has a full turret, better reverse, better shell selection, higher ammo capacity… The only thing going for Bkan is it’s autoloader and that’s most often overshadowed by how easily you can be killed by a .50 cal.
And I also feel that there’s another LONG overdue thing that has to be done… Instead of lowering BR of LvKv 9040c please buff the replenishment of ready rack rate. For how “reliable” low caliber APFSDS shells are the ready rack replenishes ATROCIOUSLY slow. Also a model update would be a nice addition too.
Other than this I agree to most of these suggestions with some additions:
U-sh 204gk should get scouting, and APDS belt. Instead of moving it down BR move it to 5.7 It’ll feel WAY more comfortable, as there is more light vehicles that it can fight.
T-54 - It’s good enough. Not great, not terrible. Keep it where it is.
IS-6 Straight up better version of IS-3. Faster, more armour, better reverse, volumetric hell turret. A questionable idea to move it to 7.3.
RakJPz 2 (HOT) - unlike IT-1 it has NO armour whatsoever. Even slightes peek over the hill most definetely will result in DEATH. Also, it doesn’t have a turret.
T30 - APHE has 197mm of pen… While I wouldn’t argue this decission with T34 or T26E5, I’d keep T30 where it is. Bigger gun does not equal better gun.
Skink and generally Oerlikon 20mm armed things need a damage buff. Otherwise it’s good where it is.
All the 35mm SPAA in list - same as ITPSV at the start. Germany simply lacks a better alternative at that br range.
T-64A - Are you insane? 6s autoloader AND a decent APFSDS… That thing is staying where it is, it`s good enough.
Conquerror - I agree with br change, but APDS and HVAP needs some love generally speaking. SHELL SHATTERED
BMD doesn’t need to “unfold” the launcher, it can fire ATGM on the move, and in case of BMD-4 it reloads it in 4 goddamn seconds. It doesn’t need apfsds IN THE SLIGHTEST.
you can remove them now but at least the t80UD should get the better transmission (there is a ukrainian T80UD that can go -22kmh in reverse )
Yeah, no. That is a soviet union version of UD, they get soveiet union “No step back” gearbox.
Scorpion the guy who made this said the Veak is on par with Gepard so you’re wrong skill issue
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That’s fine.