Ya no, people get those nukes in the za35 and itpzv (and only those vehicles) with first spawns, is purely because of luck, the amount of stuff that needs to align, the enemy spawning all on one side, all of them in light tanks or vehicles with light armour, and all of them not paying attention isn’t something you can repeat consistently.
Sure the itpzv had them more often when it was 8.3, but not at 8.7, but then again this is gaijin’s own mess, they couldve added the t55 marksmen instead and this wouldn’t be a problem.
Bmds all use the 9m117m1 missile, with a velocity of 370m/s, the tow 2 and tow 2a is 329m/s, tow 2b is an even slower 309m/s, i-tow is 296m/s (the tow is 299), spike lr 2 180m/s, the barrier atgms r2 is 280m/s, type 79 atgm is 200m/s, aps03 370m/s, gp105 370m/s, hj9 305m/s, mmp 260m/s, hot 2 250m/s, rb56 bill 2 is 250m/s, Falarick 105 is 370m/s.
So all other nations atgms are either on par or WORSE than the bmd’s atgms, the funny ironic part is, the only nation with better faster atgms, is Russia.
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Spikes and other fire and forgets leave you out of danger, additionally, most of those other nations typically get APFSDS for their auto cannons, unlike the bmd.
Fuck no. We don’t need more IRCCM SAMs facing 8.3s
Don’t have to face it if you don’t spawn a plane 👍.
Antelope is abysmal dogshit and you can still CAS competently if you just stay more than 2 km away from the fucking thing.
You don’t needa spawn it then 👍
Well yes but i need to spade it while sparing my wallet
While I agree that the antelope is a piece of shit, I think most vehicles past 9.0 should move up instead
And would you look at that, instant goal post moving.
Looking at all factors is… goal post moving? Neat. When you want to debate in good faith let me know.
The Bt-7 mod 1937 (BR 1.3)??? Is literally much better than the M-13/40 (Series 1), but for some reason, it has a lower BR than the M-13/40 (Series 1)???
List advantages of the Bt-7 (BR 1.3) compared to the M-13/40 (Series 1) BR 1.7:
- more faster.
- more agile.
- more manoeuvrable.
- Better reload
- And fires a shell with better penetration (73mm) compared to the M-14 (Series 1) which only has (50mm) penetration…
Mate, everyone knows the Bt-7 mod 1937 (BR 1.3) should be at least BR 1.7 You’ve used another example of Russian bias; otherwise, there’s no explaining why my M-13/40 (Series 1), which is literally weaker than the Bt-7 mod 1937 (BR 1.3), has a higher BR…
I’m not saying Bt-7 mod 1937 (BR 1.3) should be fighting at Tier 12.0, but it’s clear that this tank needs a tier increase, to at least Tier 1.7.
I’ll wrap up the discussion on the BT-7 that you started and get back to talking about the 2S38… Yes, the 2S38 should receive a further tier increase because, at its current tier, it’s not balanced.
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Do not start with that “Russian Bias” crap. I don’t care to hear what bias people think certain nations have, and the Russian bias non sense hasn’t been a thing in a while.
The M13/40 could go down in br you know?
But it has better armor than the BT-7 and is an Italian tank, which isn’t known for being good irl either, could it use a reload buff? Possibly.
Those are the things you should be saying instead of “Russian bias” because there’s a host of better vehicles around.
Secondly, no the 2s38 is right where it should be. There is little sense in trying to nerf it more, merely because you have a personal hatred of it.
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tbf the bt7 can go to 1.7 and it wont suffer at all
its a very good rank 1 tank
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In general i think some italian tanks are too high in BR. Often mobility and firepower are relatively meh. Armor too, except turret.
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But see, you aren’t preaching the Russian bias nonsense.
Therefore I can and will agree.
If you or he makes the addition, I will add it.
@Hetaeron
Especially top tier tanks. Centaurus and arietes are a bit too high
Thanks, I see that there are people who think and notice the inconsistencies in the BR system by Gaijin
If it bothers you, you can also not answer but I wanted to point out that it is not exactly like that:
- Firstly the double standards about what sources are needed for what. Ie. Kh38MTs existing without any proper proof as far as I know, Stingers being nerfed because Iglas perform worse etc
- Secondly the difference in survivability. Kind of going hand in hand with the previous point. NATO armor is just massively underperforming, especially when it comes to spall protection. Not to mention the turret basket, something that has nothing to do with the rotation mechanism and is meant to offer additional protection but in game it is destroying the rotation mechanism and performing the spall protection of a hand grenade while russian autoloaders eat everything no problem.
- Thirdly the absurdity with which Gaijin decides what vehicles are needed and where to put them BR wise. Especially because it usually gives Russia advantages. Example: BMPT, anything with Spikes, Pantsir, new Pantsir, Buk, Osa all outperform NATO variants
- Lastly the utter CAS dominance. For years Russia has almost nonstop had the combination of best SPAA and best CAS so you couldn’t counter either with which. Sure there have been few short breaks with the IRIST but then along came the BUK or the Spice bombs which were no Kh 38s but hey at least for once NATO had a long range guided munition, it’s slow and easy to intercept but better than nothing, and now we have the Pantsir 2.0
- Not to mention oddities like the literally worst navy having the best ship in game, a plane so heavy and unwieldy it needed escorts outturning Zeros etc etc
- At the top level Russia currently has:
- The best CAS weapon: KH38MT
- The best overall Armor: BMPT
- The best heli CAS weapon: LMUR
- The best all around SPAA: The Pantsir SMSV
- Overall, making them the best nation at top tier, no questions asked, if you play top tier right now, facing the Russians, you are getting absolutely stomped by hordes of players spawning the BMPT, then spawning in CAS aircraft and spamming KH38s (once again killing anything on the field. Then they spawn in helis and spam LMURs (which are always 1 taps due to thier unique loft gaijin decided to give to them buy not hellfires). Then they spawn Pantsirs, making it absolutely impossible to get anywhere near the fight with hypersonic 75g missiles and the ability to shoot down any and all missiles you do happen to get off.
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