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Follow my reasoning:
The Dardo has a BR of 10.0 compared to the M3A3 Bradley (BR 9.7), even though the M3A3 Bradley has greater APFSDS penetration than the Italian Dardo… The reason you give to justify this is that the Italian Dardo has a higher rate of fire than the M3A3 Bradley… …Well, if this rule applies to Italy, it also applies to Russia:
Applying the same principle, the OTOMATIC has only 12 APFSDS rounds in its magazine and also has a lower rate of fire than the 2S38. Furthermore, in real life, as stated by the manufacturer, the 2S38 was designed as an SPAA, just like the OTOMATIC… But Gaijin classified it as a light vehicle so they could add scouting capabilities, making it even more powerful.
Other advantages the 2S38 has over the OTOMATIC:
- Compared to the OTOMATIC, the 2S38 can perform scouting capabilities
- Compared to the OTOMATIC, the 2S38 is an amphibious vehicle
- Compared to the OTOMATIC, the 2S38 is faster and more manoeuvrable
- Compared to the OTOMATIC, the 2S38 has a low profile, which translates to better survivability
- The 2S38 has its ammunition stored in the centre of the hull, whereas the OTOMATIC has it scattered throughout the tank, which results in poorer survivability for the OTOMATIC… and better survivability for the 2S38
- The 2S38 can fire all 148 rounds APFSDS without overheating and can fire all 148 APFSDS rounds continuously… Whereas the OTOMATIC has only 12 APFSDS rounds…
The Otomatic’s only advantage is the radar, but we both know that doesn’t justify its BR of 11.3 compared to the 2s38’s 10.7… So it’s obvious that the 2s38 must stay at BR 11.3 or the Otomatic be lowered to BR 10.7.
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But otomaric is way better spaa than the 2s38 thats why its 11.3 (i see no issue being 11.0)
Or 3rd option, lower the Automatic to 11.0? Typically you don’t jump 2 brs unless it’s under or over preforming egregiously
Also, being able to float really isn’t an advantage, as the water is usually so rough that you can’t really aim lol.
Lastly, isn’t it an OF-40 hull? How could it be that slow?
Your comment comes more out of hatred of the 2s38 it seems, instead of balancing the Automatic
9.7 Light tanks :
M1296 has : 30mm with APFSDS, Crewless turret, 100km max speed and -13km reverse
M3A3 has : 25mm with APFSDS and TOW missiles, 66km max speed and -15km reverse
Begleit has : 57mm with AP and TOW missiles, 75km max speed and -75km reverse
BMD-4M2 has : 30mm with APDS and a 100mm, 70km max speed and -20km reverse
Desert Warrior has : 25mm with APFSDS and TOW missiles, 75km max speed and -75km reverse
ICV (P) has : 30mm with APFSDS, Crewless turret, 100km max speed and -36km reverse
STRF 9040B has : 40mm with APFSDS , 70km max speed and -45km reverse
10.0 :
ZBD04A has : 30mm with APFSDS and 100mm, 70km max speed and -17km reverse
Dardo has : 25mm with APFSDS and TOW missiles, 70km max speed and -30km reverse
VCC-80/30 has : 30mm with APFSDS and TOW missiles, 70km max speed and -30km reverse
and final 10.3Light tanks:
STRF 9040BILL has : 40mm with APFSDS and TOW missiles, 70km max speed and -42km reverse
STRF 9040C has : 40mm with APFSDS, 70km max speed and -45km reverse
and last the PUMA with a 30mm APFSDS, Crewless turret and 70km max speed and -30km reverse
So overall the puma is from the last tanks in terms of firepower at 9.7-10.3 ( i didn’t even put the BMP2M), its in the middle in terms of speed and maneuverability and almost all of the rest Light tanks have a -10 depression, the only better is the survivability ( even if the 3 crew are next to each other and if you hit the turret you destroy all the ammo and that leaves you without ammo and all the optics, vertical and horizontal aiming drive will get destroyed) and the only unique is the IRCM that aint that good so tell me why the PUMA cant be 10.0?
Need I continue?
The OTO have actually a slightly better hp/t (23.9 for the oto vs 23.3 for the 2s38)
Worse top-speed (60 km/h fort the oto vs 70 for the 2s38).
slightly better reverse (24 km/h fort the oto vs 20 for the 2s38).
So your solution to the problem of spaa are to good of a tank killer, by moving them to a br they have no chance of fighting planes so they can only fight tanks.
I don’t see any faults with that logic.
Yes you do need to continue, have you played the Dragoon?
In game though, people rarely meet their top speed, acceleration is usually the biggest factor, since you can get to flanks quicker
How would they have no chance of fighting planes?
Have you ever played the Sidam? Or the zsu-23-4? Both are terrible spaa.
Meanwhile the xm246, Gepard, itpsv, falcon, type 87, whatever the Chinese thing is, and lastly the ZA-35 are all monstrously good spaa in both tank and air hunting.
Mainly because they have exceptionally good radars, and cannons that hit like a truck.
There is two solutions, uptier, or remove full APHE / APDS belts.
Their primary role to be an spaa correct? Not a tank hunter?
from everything i said you only keep the Drogoon that also should go to lower br??
Not my point. Have you played it or not?
And it terms of some others, yes, some other can go down. But answer my question.
The M1296 is only reaching that 100km/h top speed if you drop it out of an aircraft mid flight lol.
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Wood has a modifier of 0.05, that 100mm of wood is like 5mm of steel, That’s barely a difference.
The track links on the Tigris do more than that, And the only reason that one is 6.0 is because it doesn’t have the big “shoot me here” cupola the H’s get.
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i have test drive it, and you still haven’t answer my question why the PUMA shouldn’t go to 10.0 while 10.0 tanks are better
nearly all brits at 7,7 have a stab. The conquerer is good at 7,7 but not GOAT or OP so why move it? Its armor is situatinal and only worls on long distance. The addonarmor often fails to stop heat and the hull is one big weekspot with a good UFP combined with slow speed and slow reload 7,7 is totaly fine.
Id the KT 105 would have recived the same engin nerf it could have went back to 6,7. You trade little more pen for 1,5x reload time. The slightly larger mantle makes you aim for the 150mm viewport even more, additinaly the rangefinder are a weekspot too where anything with HE filler will obliberate your turret crew.
I got more often pen on the tiger 1 east wooden blocks by heat than i survived ap/aphe that should have killed me. They are optical and no way an improvement justifing putting it at same BR as tiger E
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one, i have played the sidam and zsu 23, both are good for their intended role of close anti air support, aka you only go for targets that are under 1.5km, the sidams problem is simply the fact its far to high of a br for what it brings to the table, it should be 7.7
two, theyre good AT THEIR BR, but youre talking about uptiering them to 9.0 and above where they already struggle, in a 10.0 game they physically cant fight planes besides the chinese pgz09, which already sits at 9.0… because it gets ahead… ya its kinda clear you didnt really think this through and instead just got irrationally angry at spaa doing better than they should be and wanted them nerf, i mean its much better than that guy who just really sucks at cas and wants every handicap given to them.
and finally, you dont need to remove aphe, nor their apds, after all these vehicles always had these rounds and was never a problem like this(besides the DCA and falcon, their apds main belts was a problem), instead we need to fix what caused the problem in the first place, in this case its gaijin hot fix solution when they broke HE, by drastically increase the amount of fragments each round produced.
I can think the same way you do:
The 2s38 is the most powerful “light” vehicle at BR 10.7, and many players have even used it in battle at BR 12, demonstrating that the vehicle still functions as intended, which suggests its BR should be increased to at least BR 11.3.
I like your way of thinking, and it’s a solution to the problem… but there’s a small problem: Gaijin will never do it…