Yea at 8.7 not in 10.0/9.7, it can be killed by anything frontally and you can easily disable it
Yeah no. It still should be 10.0, as survivable as it is.
Otherwise we’d start dropping things like the 2s38 in br.
You compere a 57mm autocanon with proxy fuze shells with a 30mm ???
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Doesn’t the Puma get AHEAD?
But lethality + survivability = be placement.
Fact is the puma is good where it is now. I see no reason to even debate it.
2s38 is where it should be now.
Dropping one affects the other.
Let’s bring WWII tanks into the modern era. This tank was removed from the game, so it’s not something you face every match, only a small number of veteran players own it. I have it and rarely use it. It’s not overpowered: it’s slow, easy to flank, and has a large turret ammo rack that can be one-shot, just like the Tiger II H and similar variants.
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The logs are 10mm not a deference, you can still see the cupola on the West (with the same logic let’s put all the Tiger H1 that use bushes to cover the cupola at 6.0), the conquest has a max speed of 38kmh and the armour isn’t even good and you want it to face 9.0?
The BMPT should get the dart round for “realism” but should get a module remake and moved up to 12.3 or 12.7 or even higher
Lol Puma with a 20mm (or even a 0.50cal) in the turret is out of the fight yea maybe the crew don’t die as easily but it’s ain’t great in overall survivability because all the systems are in the turret, and comparing 30mm Ahead rounds to a 57mm proxy is out of question
The BMPT dosnet have APFDS or even APDS in both canons they should remove the option that you can carry both of the cannons apds as it is in real life
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You might now use it, but I’ve met plenty of people that this is their most played vehicle, it’s also fake. And is better armored than the normal KT.
And you’re going to ask “how?” Well, thanks the larger turret mantle to accommodate the larger gun, it’s actually harder to pierce the front of the turret with a lot of guns, due to volumetric, and the whole shell size difference.
Secondly, its cannon, the 105mm is way better than the 88mm cannon, and can point and click with ease.
Just because you don’t play it doesn’t mean it’s bad.
That’s like saying the AMX m4 is bad, because I don’t play it, yet it’s actually a really mobile light medium tank.
The Conquerer is quite good at 7.7, it can and should be an 8.0
The only tanks lower than 8.0 with a full stab are light tanks that do little damage usually, and are easy to kill.
The armor package on the Conquerer makes it a beast, and can often eat Heat mo problem, also it will eat ATGMs that aren’t tandem, which is all you will see anyways.
The logs do more than you think, or and the tracks pieces don’t even break, and can often deflect your shells, in a hull down position, your practically invincible, and your only true competitor is the m4a3e2 jumbos.
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Puma has:
- Crewless turret
- Blow out ammo panels
- IRCM which can stop even 10.7 / 11.0 heli ATGMs.
- Great maneuverability
- Good gun depression
Need I continue?
Centurion MK2 is at 6.7 with full stad, Conquer is fine at 7.7 with 38km top speed 15sec of reload APDS shell that doesn’t does consistent damage and the Armour ain’t excellent
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With gunner or without gunner if you shot the turret it’s disabled, if they hir your ammo all of it will be destroyed and will leave you defenseless, and they are way better IFV in maneuverability
Do you forget the cupola exist??? They are not tigers E, and still all the tanks that can pen the tiger H1 frontally or when it’s angled they can kill the ost/west the same way
Armor on the Cent is way worse, has worse pen, and worse damage. And can also be heard coming from a mile away.
The amount of times I have been shot at / have shot at the cupola on the roof with that little track piece, and had it get eaten is hilarious.
Your better off aiming for the gun.
As the Conquer thats why it’s fine at 6.7 and the Conquer at 7.7, as for the Tigers I never had experience such problem when I played them or fought them
He forgot to add that the M1 abrams should be move down at 9.3 or maybe 9.7 due to the 105 gun and poor mobility and reload and IPM1 to 10.7 with the M1A1 at 11.0 respectively.
The M1A1 HC, M1A2 and the AIM needs to be moved down to 11.3 due to the lack of good thermals on the M1A1 HC and M1A2 and for the AIM is due to the weaker dart sound it gets.
lastly the M1A2 SEP and SEP V2 need to be at 11.7 due to the turret ring weak spot and poor mobility, reload and the lack of spall liners.
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Stopped my goon sesh to like this
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M1 could also just get the M833 round already found on the M1IP. The round did enter service a bit before the IP, so it makes enough sense chronologically to let the M1 get it too. Maybe that would require the M1 to go up to 11.0. I’m not as familiar with modern vehicles and high rank meta, so it’s hard for me to say.
I’ve been told that the earliest produced M1’s did lack a few features, so perhaps that could be added to keep an M1 at the 10.3-10.7 range if adding M883 were to require the M1 to go up (assuming I was informed correctly about early M1’s).
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