I advocate for the uptiering of the T58, Turm III, the 12.0 Abrams, SAV 20.12.48, the PZH2000, the OF-40 MTCA, the Gal Batash, the downtier of the TURMST…and so on.
Do you honestly think I’m saying the KV-220 is at the very least fine at 6.0 the way it is purely because it’s a Russian vehicle? 😅
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What, no longer taking his word for gospel now that he has a differing opinion to yours?
Please no, The Gal Batesh is one of the few actually good/cool/interesting things remaining in the Israeli tree :(
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Unfortunately the trolly turret armour, 6.7s DM63, decent mobility (for an M60), gun depression, and ESS+Thermals makes it quite oppressive 😅
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The issue is low post pen effect and mobility.
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But it’s not fine at 6.0
Played again last night a few matches. All were 7.0 again…
Making the ratio of matches I’ve gotten into roughly 47.3% 7.0 matches, 43.8% 6.7 and the remainder being 6.0 matches.
Why does the Turms T needs to go down?
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I’d rather have those two over 1.8x the mobility. And a weaker pen round.
Because in affect I can hit ammo / hit the gun or a myriad of other things with ease.
And this is where you become so off topic, I’m not going to respond :)
That is good that You might prefer it but overall KV-220 is less situational and more versatile
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It is, and the raw performance and stats prove it.
Playing the Jumbo 76 must be horrendous then.
Its UFP is much weaker than any of the other current Russian 10.3 MBTs, such as the T-72B, T-72B (1989), T-80UD, and even the T-64B (which also has a 6s reload):
Spoiler
T-72B:
T-72B (1989):
T-64B (Gets add-on Kontakt-1, which gives it roughly ~10mm more KE protection since at least two ERA blocks usually trigger):
You can sometimes even penetrate it with M774, found on the M1 Abrams, though it’s a lot more comfortable with 105mm DM33, DM63, and 120mm DM23.
For just GEN 2 Thermals, I don’t think that’s worth it.
How is one less situational than the other?
BP has -10 gun depression and technically can play in positions that totally nullify its weakness.
Mobility is the only true pro the kv-220 has, and it’s only in forward
In what vehicle You are going to get to the point faster?
In how many maps You are able to reliable use it not to just sit in one place and get max 1 kill?
APHE is also a pro compared to BP, less pen but at least some post pen effect.
Tell me why should I pick BP over Centurion Mk 1?
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- In neither will you get to a cap before an m18 or similarly fast vehicle, as we all know blueberries cap for themselves.
- Quite a lot of maps require skillful play or good gun depression.
- Cent. Mk.1 has a weaker turret, and APHE is nice but not mandatory
Now if you said a T29 vs a Caernarvon, T29 all day.
Maybe, but at least in KV-220 You are still able to get there, not like in BP.
And in most of them the place that would grant You a safe place in BP won’t work well in order to have a good match (or maybe You like camping simulator).
It might be weaker but most vehicles that can pen frontall armor of Cent turret can also destroy BP frontally.
Not to mention much better mobility.
I hope that You also know that You can kill BP by shoting at its cupola or the roof (might not be super reliable but worked for me).
Not to mention Tigers and panthers can pen frontal armor without much of an issue
Tiger IIs can pen it frontally and the BP can pen a TK frontally.
Its speed is slow yes, but it’s by no means a bad tank.
I don’t think the roof weakness is reliable as I can’t recall ever being hit there once.
And at least a BP can defend itself vs a KT unlike the KV
I’m talking about Tiger Is, not IIs.
Compared to other options You have in that B.R. (Centurion Mk.1 win wink) it is not good enough to justify it being 6.0.
I have used it many times.
There is always cupola but its tricky.
Wonder when this thread will be about something other than USSR heavy tanks
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They have their trade offs.
And Tiger I can pen decently reliably if you aren’t using Pzgr.
But most people use Pzgr. For the better angle pen and He filler, and let’s not forget most people only bring one shell type. (Typically I bring 2-3 depends on the tank)
With a KV-220? Good luck. You have a better chance of winning the lotto
I have already done that.