Ground Vehicles **PROPOSED** RB battle rating changes

I’m well aware of that, and is why I understand that I may have biases too.
Though I’ve shown my thought process and the reasoning behind the KV-220’s statistics to prove my point at the very least.

That being said, I wouldn’t be surprised if they want to keep a good tank underBR’d.

I’d much rather have an autoloader than a long reload, even if it means I have to wait for 30 seconds every minute or two. It also allows you to actually return fire if needed, without having to wait nearly 20 seconds.

Assuming the E-100 reloads in 18 seconds with no round replenish penalty, and the IS-7 reloads in 10 seconds with a 30 second penalty for every round above 6, the E-100 would only have fired 6 shots after the IS-7 fires its sixth. After that, the the 7th shot from the E-100 comes only 4 seconds before the 7th IS-7 shot.

18 secs x 6 shots =108 seconds for 6 shots fired from an E-100
10secs x 7 shots + 30 seconds =100 seconds for 6 shots fired from an IS-7

I am not biased. If any biased existed it’d be for Italy

And I play vehicles in their intended roles.

Exactly why they’re extremely similar tanks, and the E100 is under br’d

Well, doesn’t that just say it all right there. Especially when you’ve freely admitted to a bias in this thread already.

Far more dangerous than someone with strong, unconcious biases, is someone who’s convinced they have no biases in the first place.

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That isn’t a bias. That’s me liking a tank…

Bro… super strawman.

Bias: “prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be [unfair]”

I didn’t realize it’s unfair for me to want to like / play a tank, my bad g.

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Maybe the E-100 could go to 8.0 if the game had proper decompression, but anything higher than 0.3 above the maus wouldn’t make sense.

Also, do you really think you’ll be consistently firing for close to 2 minutes straight, and not firing it shorter bursts when the autoloader has the advantage?

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Huh?

8.0 makes sense for it based on it’s capabilities and its stats.

The fact of the matter it can see 6.7s is clinically insane.

It’s still 30s a round to reload 1 round into the auto loader. You also have to keep in mind you cannot fire for an extended period of time for the auto loader to be loaded. That is apparently with any of those tanks.

Try it out in the Somua

How the hell do you lose to a stuart in the M4A5?

That smells of skill issue.

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That’s a bias. You like the tank. Accordingly, you elect to play it even when it isn’t suitable. And yes, spawning an armor reliant tank in a full or mostly full uptier is when it is not suitable.

You do this for no other reason than the fact that you like the tank, and want to play it. Which is fine, on it’s own. Everyone’s allowed to have a favourite vehicle, after all.

The problem comes from the fact that this vehicle that you like is a niche vehicle. It’s got overwhelming strengths and weaknesses. Accordingly, this makes it desperately tricky to balance, since it’s comfortable BR range is, effectively, much smaller than most other vehicles. Generally speaking, you can either put these vehicles at a BR where they’re usable in an uptier, but overpowered in a downtier, or you can put it where it’s balanced at it’s own tier, but weak in an uptier.

For the sake of game balance, we must put tanks into that second group. Otherwise, we have entire BR brackets held hostage by these difficult to balance tanks. Far better for one tank to suffer than an entire BR bracket. The only real solution is BR decompression.

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See there’s a problem with your logic, if I did it solely for that tank, then that would be bias, but I play full uptiers in every tank. Just depends on what I feel like playing.

The Kv-220 is practically useless in an uptier lol unless it’s a 6.3 match, but those rarely exist.

So what I’m hearing is you support a reload buff, not a br change.

Not according to the statistics.
And this doesn’t only affect the KV-220 but all the 6.0 and 6.3 tanks.

Did you even read? 😭

T-34-100 and T-34-85s are wayyy better, due to mobility alone.

Again, I am also a very good player.

So they’re better than the Panthers too I suppose?

Nope
Question, do you hate Russia?

Then you’re not playing these sorts of tanks optimally, and thus can’t really speak for their balance.

To me, there’s no difference between someone who plays like this, and someone who plays their Nashorn on any map, and thus willfully takes it brawling on Advance to the Rhine, and then complains on the forums that the Nashorn is woefully underpowered.

You’re taking a vehicle outside of it’s intended niche, where it is most effective, and then complaining that it can’t perform well. Then you’re demanding changes that would allow it to perform outside of it’s niche, with the knockon effect of making it overpowered within that original niche.

Agreed, so don’t play it there. Or, rather, don’t first spawn it. The longer the game goes on, the fewer top tier tanks are going to be roaming around, and the more likely people will be stuck in lower tiered tanks or lineup fillers with weaker guns.

When I’m playing a lineup with a BR sensitive tank in it (Say, 4.7 UK with the Churchill VII), and I end up in a full uptier, I spawn other vehicles first. I save that heavy tank until a later spawn, where odds are better it’ll run into weaker tanks it can handle. It’s still not going to perform like it can when it’s top tier, and I don’t delude myself into expecting that it will be able to.

I understand the fact that such vehicles will be very bipolar depending on the matchmaker, and that’s infinitely preferable to them being balanced around being uptiered. See the PUMA and BMPT when they were released for examples of what happens when a tank with very strong armor and weak firepower is placed at a tier where it’s firepower doesn’t hold it back.

Soft maybe. I’m open to changing it’s soft stats to help it settle at it’s BR. That means I could see it getting a slight reload buff and/or the upgraded 85mm shell. But I don’t know if it would be balanced with those at it’s current BR. I’d need to have hands on experience with it. I’m just leery because I remember how it was with it’s original BR, where it was hands down the most overpowered tank in the game (At the time). It’s why people are so sensitive to giving it buffs, we’ve seen that thing ruin the entire BR bracket before, we don’t want to see that again.

Not really. BP is 5.7 materiał compared to centurion mk.1

How isnt it? We’ve gone over this in great details. There’s many pros the Bp has the kv-220 doesn’t.

It’s reload and APDS pen alone make it far better. Add on smoke grenades, and better turret traverse, with the same armor practically