Yeah I could see that, though Tiger E = KV-220 makes a good amount of sense whereas Tiger H1 = KV-220 is less-so.
That would be nice but from what I remember Gaijin refused the idea.
Also quick note,
You’re doing slightly above average (compared to other T-V users) in the T-V even with full uptiers according to statshark, while you’re only doing average in the KV-220.
It probably means that there’s some things that you could do better to make the KV-220 work well.
It’s all about the gun for the Kv-220 vs the T-V.
It has 60 more pen, and I believe higher velocity.
It can somewhat reliably kill the USA heavies, but not so much KTs, hell even the Russian 100mm struggles against it now, its volumetric hell.
The pen is nice but the reason why I usually prefer the Russian 85mm is because of the explosive filler, which is A LOT better than the Panther’s:
Their angle pen at high angles ~65 degrees and above also converge, so you can shoot an angled sherman just as easily as the Panther:
Panther will kill a jumbo frontally with ease.
Kv-220 cannot. You can “upper plate it” but I have never gotten that to work ever.
And yes the extra HE filler is nice, but the Panther has never let me down with one taps.
Edit:
Why are you using Consider Camera Angle?
That’s true, though it depends on the range and how angled it is:
KV-220 is harder to do with, but it can go for the Cupola instead.
The Jumbo can’t easily kill the KV-220 frontally whereas the Jumbo can against the Panther(s).
For me it has considering it effectively requires you aim for center-mass shots.
Yeah, the King Tiger is quite difficult, though the way the Jumbo 76 spammers / T20 spammers kill them is through their cupola (though it’s kind of a hard shot, especially at close range):
It almost always guarantees a one-shot via ammo detonation, though.
I’m not entirely sure what it does (it doesn’t seem to do what it’s suppose to do?) but it’s there so that I can keep the shell straight, and not pointing downwards or upwards.
On level ground a round being shot further than ~200/300m would just about become level to the plate at which you are shooting at.
Edit: I see it now. This is for the protection map, so you are still forced to use your camera for individual shots.
Jumbo may have a slightly tougher time against a kv-220 sure, but they’re going to struggle against one another equally.
Jumbo has the stab and reload, the kv-220 has the armor.
Panthers rare lose to a jumbo… unless they’re a typical german player and do the worst things possible lol.
Also a cupola shot on a jumbo is next to impossible to get to work.
So Panther finds it easier to kill Jumbo whereas Jumbo finds it easier to kill Panther.
KV-220 finds it harder to kill Jumbo whereas Jumbo finds it harder to kill KV-220.
I don’t really see an issue here?
Yeah, and the KV-220 is 0.3 BR lower (same BR as the Panther) too.
Imagine if the Jumbo 76 was 6.0? And people think it should go lower…
Well, Jumbo 76mm is meta for 6.3 Squadron Battles and not the Panthers, so I’d say the Jumbos find it easier in most cases. The reason being the stab + 5.9s reload (like you said), along with the 24 degrees per second turret rotation speed (20 degrees per second with the Panther A / G, and only 15 degrees per second with the Panther F), all of which are more useful in CQC (and is what most WT maps are nowadays).
TTS / SRB players think otherwise.
¯\__(ツ)__/¯
with a 2.6 second reload and rather strong turret armour
VIDAR also has fast reload, so it really is just a fat VIDAR with no LRF or TVD
VIDAR reloads in 6s at the best of times, which is more than 2x slower and it’s also the reload speed for only two rounds.
We can go in circles all day long.
Jumbo = kv-220 (jumbo is 5.7)
Kv-220 = Tiger E / Tigris / Tiger west / East (but the kv-220 has 2 loaders yet the same reload, and lacks the some grenades, while having the commanders hatch weakness).
Panther is ≠ to the kv-220 (Panther is-arguably better, has better mobility, not really much frontal weakness, and a better gun, and smoke grenades, with neutral steer turning).
The panther G/F should def be 6.3
The 5.7 jumbo against the KV-220 is abysmal.
In no way is the 5.7 Jumbo equal to the KV-220.
Maybe, but then again, KV-220 makes short work against the Tiger H1s because of how easy it is to snipe their cupolas / hull armour.
Tiger E doesn’t nearly have that big of a problem.
The Tiger E also doesn’t have as weak of a turret mantlet.
Like I said, move it up to 6.3 and give it a 6.7s reload.
So does every other tank other than the Germans.
Pretty difficult one at that. Tiger’s and Panther’s are much easier:
If you can’t aim for the cupola (for some reason), the mantlets are easy to penetrate and deal damage to the crew too.
KV-220 is at least as good as the Panthers, if not better because of the much better armour, better one-shot capability, and survivability.
They aren’t that good…
The Jumbo 76 makes short work of either of them because most maps are close range.
If anything, the Tiger E / Tigris should go to 6.3 because any weakspot that they can find actually does a lot of damage.
Why would you nerf a tank that can’t do anything to 6.7s or 7.0s? Let alone 7.3s
Nah, the most logical is buff it reload or make it 5.7 again.
You are definitely over estimating it
So can’t the Jumbo 76?
Should we lower it to 6.0?
Its armour is worse than the KV-220 anyways…
If it goes to 5.7 it’s literally just a better IS-1. Tell me one thing about the IS-1, other than reverse speed and slightly better gun handling, that is better than the KV-220.
Buffing its reload to 6.7 would make it too good for 6.0, and so it would warrant it being 6.3.
I don’t think so because I’m basing it on its raw capabilities and the performance of great players.
What about this guy?
It also lacks any armour, which the T58 has a lot of, especially in a downtier
VIDAR also has terrible gun handling, which the T58 does not.
Giving it a 6.7 sec reload literally wouldn’t make it 6.3 worthy.
But the tank yourself and try it. Play it no matter the br like I do.
Tell me what you could kill, and what you couldn’t.
You’re also talking about pro players whom likely only spawn it in down tiers.
The E100 for example is a crazy tank, and very rare (like the kv-220) and as a result it’s kd is very high, but it’s the same br as a Maus despite having 3x the KDr.
Doubt it considering their team positions are relatively high.
They play E100 because it’s a good tank. Why would they play a bad tank?
XD
wtf logic is that? Team position is high so clearly they don’t play down tiers only?? What??
But why isn’t the E100 higher in br? Don’t dodge the question
I don’t think you understand.
Most of these people one-spawn their tanks.
If they don’t spawn in when it’s a full uptier, their team position goes down since it is calculated based on the average team position every match.
Let’s say there’s 10 people on your team.
If you play 5 matches and 2 of them are full uptiers, you will have 2 of those matches be 10th place (0%)
Then let’s say they do really well on the other 3 non-full uptier matches because they are really good.
1st place on each of those 3 matches.
Their average team position won’t be 100% but 60%.
Most of the people I’ve been checking have at least ~80%, so unless they’re not getting uptiers in their KV-220 somehow, they’re not only playing in downtiers.
Here’s an example:
Here’s an example of a person only playing full down-tiers:
Gaijin being Gaijin?
Remember when I told you sample size (and quality) matters?
E-100 is a very special vehicle – only being able to be played by the best players or those that pay a lot of money.
As a result, the average user is really good, and therefore the E-100 only has 3100 games played throughout December, and is why you get such a disparity.
Looking at the Maus, it’s way less special, being able to be played by anyone who has at least Rank IV Germany researched. Though it’s still more special than popular premiums / tech tree vehicles, so its stats are slightly boosted as a result of the fact that its average players would typically be slightly more competent.
Now look at how many games have been played just this December:
No wonder it’s significantly lower than the E-100’s.
The average Maus player is garbage compared to the average E-100 player.
If an average player of equal skill played either of them, you’d see a much smaller difference, though the E-100 may still perform better because it’s more mobile.
Since I’ve answered your question, why don’t you answer mine?
