Just give it M86 APHE.
It would have lower muzzle velocity and penetration than as seen in this stat cared when fired from the shorter 6pdr Mk.III, but it would still be a very useful round for consistent damage.
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Turret armour as well***
Hull armour is much better because its crew is more spaced out and you can angle very well (Isn’t that the whole point of the Tiger? Tiger’s perfect angling is a lot worse than KV220’s)
Doesn’t need it…
There are other tanks at 6.0 that are worse than it.
M4/T26 and Centurion Mk.1, for example.
It’s not particularly strong at 6.3 especially considering the T20 exists and behaves quite similarly, and better in other aspects.
Vickers Mk.1 has a 5s reload to compensate. If it only had a standard 6.7s reload then it would be fine at 8.0.
Type 69 too, though its APFSDS sucks and gets no APHE so they’re just about equal (other than the TO-55 not having a LRF).
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In which Panzer 4s can lol pen the KV-1E pretty much anywhere.
While the KV-1E will actually have some trouble against the Panzer if it’s an uparmored one.
Pz.4 should go back to 4.0 as well.
It does no damage unless u aim at ammo or fuel. The crew survives to move / and or shoot back. AP was voted against being fixed as Iv just learned. Current state ram 2 is 2.7 worthy.
French Stuart >
German vehicles at those BRs are known for their guns, a little bit of armour, and pretty much nothing else.
I think that’s fair.
If they angle even a little bit, it’s goodbye to them.
Plus the transmission area is very weak too:
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yeah right
Yes, thats why uparmored has higher BR. And no, it isnt THAT much trouble. Tho i firmly believe that only that germans are such bad players Panzer IV stands so low. It actually 4.3-4.7 material
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You shoot crew, kill tank with 2 to 3 shots. Easy peasy.
I got 1 popped by a 2.7 rated tank and couldnt move.
Ammo is that bad its broken. Crazy people voted against it being fixed… means theres something to fix.
Would make it incredibly overpowered, just like the T18E2.
BTW, Great Players + Great Vehicle (especially because of the 4s reload + Good Pen + Good Explosive Filler, stab, and mobility) = The best KPS vehicle in war thunder.
No clue how the T18E1 isn’t 3.7 yet.
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Then move it up in BR and/or adjust soft-stats.
I’m fine with that.
But if we go with the Churchill III, it would probably go to 4.3, maybe 4.7.
Ram II would probably go to 4.3.
Cromwell I would probably go to 4.3.
An APHE nerf wouldn’t buff solid shot. Regardless, the M4A5 is incredibly good at 3.7, and I’d expect it to be 4.0 before it goes to 3.3.
Tip: Use it’s good reload and high pen to your advantage, and cover up the weak spots with bushes if possible.
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those aren’t even your stats bro, where tf did you get that because those look like the 5.3 stats not its 6.0 stats.
You don’t even own the tank…
Ask @ULQ_LOVER he even agrees it needs some sort of buff, as it consistently sees 6.7 / 7.0 games while despite only having the pen of a 5.3.
As for the panther being equal… it’s not, especially the panther F. Panther G / F should become 6.3s when the 6.7s get decompressed.
SOVIET HEAVIES need to stop getting nerfed so their armor and their guns are inert
The TO-55s best round is APHE because the APDS and Heat FS are crap. It’s not anything crazy.
Again, the vickers and TO-55 are fine where they are.
I can see the Cromwell and Ram II going up to at least 4.0, and the Churchill III to 4.3. I don’t think it’s fair to assume that these will all be OP just because the blatantly underiered T18E2 has M86 and is OP. They would also have much less pen than on the T18E2 because of the shorter barrels.
Thankfully, even if vehicles do have to get moved up, there are many versions that can take their place due to being worse in other regards.
The Churchill III can easily be split into 3 different versions to fill the 3.7-4.3 bracket.
The Centaur I can easily fill the spot of the Cromwell I, even if it gets APHE, on account of the much worse mobility.
Removed:
KV-1E
T20
Will add:
Pz.4s later
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It’s not 5.3 stats:
The pen is good enough all the way to 6.3.
It’s like saying the Jumbo 76 only has the pen of a 5.3 and saying it’s underpowered when clearly it’s not.
And this is in the context that the good 6.7s / 7.0s move up in BR, so what’s the problem?
Jumbo 76 has to deal with the same crap too.
That’s an extremely small weakspot:
If you don’t struggle with shooting there consistently, then there should be no issues shooting for the machinegun port of the Panthers, or their Cupolas, and especially not their mantlets.
They’re doing fine. At least most of them.
The IS-2 (1944) has more of an issue now than the KV-220 ever did.
At least it gets APHE, unlike the Type 69. Type 69’s best round is either HEATFS or APFSDS, both of which are crap too.
I don’t think so.
You didn’t even explain why you think the Vickers Mk.1 is fine at 8.0 😅
It’s better than the Leopard I and the other 8.0s because of the 5s reload and full stabilizer… all while having good turret rotation speed and decent mobility.
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Did you ever finalize that list? I never got anything from you. :P
Vote making AP better - no
Vote making APHE worse - no
One had to be yes to make it fair. Its easy to see, even for a noob like me.
Are you sure they’re shorter?
Spoiler
I mean, you could be right.
Let’s say its penetration becomes ~100mm.
That would still be better than the 5s reload M61 shot.
Churchilll III gets a stab and 4s reload compared to the Churchill NA75, which has a 5s reload and uses M61 shot.
The Churchill III would be objectively better from what I can tell.
Maybe 4.0, but 4.3 seems to make sense considering they would probably be equally as good as the M4A2.
That’s fine.
BR changes…
Though <40mm APHE definitely needs to be reworked.