i agree with this if ground rb gets 13.7 max and these tanks move could help
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Well its mobility is above average, but not as good as the XM-1GM’s or KPZ-70’s. It used to be completely superior to the Leopard 1A5’s but they nerfed its top speed from 65km/h to 60km/h and (less-so) its reverse speed from 25km/h to 24km/h.
Its gun handling is just as good as the XM-1GM and KPZ-70.
The armour is not as good but hull-down I’d argue it’s has better survivability than either the KPZ and the XM-1.
The biggest difference is that it gets lol-pen DM33 with a decent 6.7s reload.
Much better firepower than the XM-1GM and slightly better firepower than the KPZ-70 (because of its 6s reload as well as its 20mm).
Good players play it because its good and its stats are definitely boosted by quite a bit as a result, just like the T20.
If the AMX-32 (120) is ‘justified’ at 9.7, then the XM-1GM, Olifant Mk.2, Gal Batash, KPZ-70, TAM 2IP, CM11, and OF-40 (MTCA) should be 9.7… along with maybe the ZTZ96, AMX-30 Super, and Magach 7C.
Which AMX are you talking about? AMX-30 Super?
That one is also really good as it doesn’t have the acceleration / impulse issue that the AMX-32 Variants have and has the -46km/h in reverse and slightly better gun handling over the Leopard 1A5, though it uses an inferior 105mm round (basically slightly inferior M774, which may struggle with the UFP of T-72s, for example) than the Leopard 1A5.
However its fuel tanks love eating spall so it’s survivability may be slightly better, though it has unprotected ammo in its turret bustle, meaning that it is able to be one-shot fairly easily even when hull-down.
I’m not sure if it’s too strong for 9.3 but I think the other 9.3s I stated are definitely worth 9.7.
Yeah and Italy offers a really nice look into how it compares to popular vehicles from major nations, like T-72A and 1A5. Even if we account for minor nations’ premiums having slightly better stats than their TT copies, the difference between those three is still huge and should be looked into by Gaijin.
AMX-30 Super when compared to MTCA has thermals, better mobility, optics and arguably survivability. It loses out on penetration, gun handling and gun depression.
I still think those two should be at the same BR, which is 9.7.
After T-64B got up in BR I’d say it’s time for some 9.3s to move up as well and create some lineups there.
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Do you believe the AMX-32 deserved to be 9.7?
I don’t.
I think that’s probably a more important question at this point. Raising all of those staple 9.3 MBTs to 9.7 would negate the decompression between 9.3 and old 10.3(now 10.7) we got last year.
I for one do not want a return to the dark days of 9.3 being completely unplayable. Lol
Hence why I put justified in quotation marks.
I don’t think it’s the strongest 9.7 out of the 9.3s that should be 9.7, but if it were 9.3 then it would be extremely good considering the AMX-32 (105) is just that but worse in acceleration, armour, and round.
AMX-32 (105) shouldn’t go to 9.0 either considering I’m thinking of having the M60A3s (with the American one possibly receiving M883), Class 3 (P), XM803, Chieftain 900, TAM, and Object 279 move up to 9.3 .
And they should move up those BRs again.
Hell, the 2S38 would become a menace to these 9.3s again after it gets moved to 10.7.
I get that. Just be happy that it’s in a decent position at the moment 😅
8.3 needs to see decompression somehow as well.
Does it though? I spend a lot of my play time in the 8.3-9.3 range and it’s honestly one of the bright spots in GRB at the moment. I don’t play all nations so I can’t speak from experience on all fronts but it’s seemed quite good of late.
I feel worse for 7.3s fighting 8.3s than I do 8.3s fighting 9.3s.
Well, if you move some 9.3s up then you might move up some 8.3s as well.
Probably the worst compression is currently happening at ~8.0 and it needs fixing.
You forgot to mention it’s slower than an M109 and a full 2.7 higher.
I better comparison is just VIDAR but without LRF or thermals (the main things that make VIDAR OP) at the same BR
It shouldn’t be, the M48 turret is shite ergonomically for the loader. The M60A1 turret is basically perfect.
I mean yeah, about the T-34 but the KV-1E is just painful for 3.0s or any kv1/t34 for 2.7
M4A5 ram 2 US premium. 3.7- 2.7
The rounds make it a rank 1 vic. loses fight vs a stuart. Shells cause minimum damage to BRs bellow. Cant do ANYTHING vs same BR or above.
yeah it is because it does not matter at all.
Yes it is, thats why it got moved to 4.3 so only Panzer 4s meet it
Yes the ram. The 3.0 GB version is good. Bought the premium and its making me want to quit the game
OP? If thats the general consensus i give up. Or maybe you can help… and tell me what im doing wrong
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I do believe its not, as i have much love for this cannon as british main
Its the worst by far iv used. shots in side and shots to weak spots dont matter. The only kills Iv got were lucky to hit ammo
Hell no
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It loses vs a stuart.
Hell yes. The 3.0 version is better so needs to be lower
I’ll go through my list again one of these days and mass edit it…
But,
- T-44FM does have BR-367, but is slower than the T-34-85 STP which I would argue is a better armored tank because of its angles.
- If the KV-220 stays 6.0 it needs a reload buff… it is in no true way better than a panther F other than side armor.
- IS-6 is an decent tank, but gets decimated by HEAT because you can’t store the ammo in one place, gaijin puts ammo all over the tank, so in the first penetrating hit you explode.
So, what I will do is remove the IS-6, and remove the br decrease for the kv-220 or make it an or reload buff.
STP is good as is
I can understand the Type 69 going to 8.3 because it has a dart.
The vickers im kinda on the fence about.
And the TO-55 is just a no.
The TO-55 has ammo literally everywhere, almost half the turret traverse of the vickers, worse reverse speed, better reload by 2.5 secs, and lack of smoke grenades.
For slightly better frontal armor, and a flamethrower.
I used it with Churchill 3 chassis, i love it. 4s reload + 130 pen and decent damage for hit is enough