I did read what you wrote lol.
But, at the same time, I’m telling you, it’s not just restricted to those vehicles you chose.
Oh okay
If it remains at 6.0, it definitely doesn’t need a reload buff.
Can you show me?
The turret armour is quite good for a fully stabilized 6.7.
What we need is decompression since I don’t want to face a KV-1E at 3.0, and I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t want that either.
Strongest cannon at its BR, very fast, and its armor is near unpenable to most enemies in downtiers. Imo the VK 3002 is better than the Panther.
That is not a valid reason to effectively nerf the Cent mk10. Just because this particular area of the British tech tree is extremely compressed does not mean that the Cent mk10 should be right next to a chieftain, or even be at the same br as the Vickers mk3. What happens when the mk10 gets uptiered to 9.3 and has to face a kpz70? Chieftains already have a hard time against the better armoured tanks of 9.3, and that’s with one of the best apds rounds in the game.
Instead you should be looking to decompress this area of the game as a whole, not try to make band aid fixes by nerfing one of the only “viable” tanks at this br.
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You need to look at the bigger picture. I am spreading them out across all nations, trying to patch holes, and bringing up over preformers, and pulling down under preformers.
Funny you mention the KPz-70 which is another too good for its br tank, just as the xm803 and MBT-70.
If you want to talk about “things that struggle against x vehicle”
Look at an obj.906 vs a kpz-70 it’s a night and day difference
Have you heard of its HESH, perchance
imagine an M109 with a 2.6 second autoloader, except with HESH’s capabilities against actual armour
I can live with that. I never will agree that T1E1 is equally good with Tiger H1 tho. 4.7-ish protection of M6 Heavy Tank at 5.7, with its size and super weak sides… Idk. It just does not operate well for me.
Same as why i should meet the KV-1E with my Panzer 3M, Tiger 2 with my t-34-85 and FV4202 and M47 with my Panther or T-44. Because its a balanced game when heavy tank CAN bounce some shots, and the downtiered tank can have some confidence in its armor.
ah that poor 2AV should also get 5s reload. Its one weakling tank, i dont understand its reload time either.
well its easilly penned even with KV-1ZIS-5. And its one of the weakest cannons there. 34-57, 34-85, KV-85, Fireflies and Shermans also pen it pretty well.
I do believe that its balanced at 5.0 as it provides some pros with some cons.
i would argue the t58 packs a bigger punch lmao
you can OHK ANYTHING with a hesh to the tracks
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I do, gaijin balances manual reload times on turret rings. also the age of the turret. Did you know that the M60A1 can get a 5.0s reload? would be stupid as hell, but it can.
You say that as if any of your other examples are measured and fair.
Did you know it already has it? Google CM11 of china tree.
thats what is wrong with Gaijin - the reload time is considered a balance feature, so it can be changed to anything. Thy dont have any restrictions to that. But the point is, Gaijin is hella inconsistent.
Well, kinda?
All those encounters have the chance to flank and sideshot. Also except of OP British that have stabs at 7.0+ most are easy shot to the barrel. And some have weakspots on front. I mean, it should be obvious that tanks 1.0 br higher should at least not be penned from lower rank guns. If, however, the gun isnt their only good feature (like Archer that pens anything, and its okay). Other way its unbalanced that heavy or protected machinery only meets enemies that can pen it easilly.
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Only the XM803 and KPZ-70 are good at their respective BRs.
The MBT-70 is pretty mediocre at 9.3.
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panther F 6.3 but T-44 6.0???
-1 omg this thing was nightmare to face for 6.7+ tanks.
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does not need any change keep like it is
stays at 6.0 no for 5.7
i disagree fully with this it’s very op tank does not need any change keep it at 6.0. maybe with buff reload
8.3 this thing does not care about armor at all it’s slow but gun is great maybe with reload buff to help it.
8.3 br is also good for somua i own it and it’s king tiger with 4s relaod and better pen very op tank.
9.0 is good br for that thing at 8.7 7.7 tanks still have to deal with that thing on of the best tanks at 8.3.
keep it 6.0 the turret armor is easy to pen the panther G is better than the F in turret armor. does not need any change.
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No, it needs its historically correct turret traverse speed… its not as slow as in game.
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i mean about the BR not the turret !
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The 130mm has much better angled penetration, not to mention overmatch, the 88mm round is only good if you shoot at below 35° or so.
What do you think of premium OF-40 sitting at 9.3.
Stat wise it’s doing really good and even when looking at the vehicle, metric by metric, it looks to be really good.
Same for premium AMX.
In-case you people take plane BRs in tank battles
Italy:
F.C.20 Bis 2.0 > 2.3 (It’s a better Hs 129 B-2 since it has aphe and you know, actually flies well.)
BMPT —> 15.7
Russian vehicles all -----> 17.0
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The FM T-44 is a lot worse than the regular T-44 since it uses the T-44-122 chassis.
I think the FM T-44 and the T-34-85 STP should be 6.0.
The Panther F should still be 6.0 considering it’s mostly a side-grade to the Panther G (Less trolly gun mantlet, worse turret rotation speed, but gets a better gun shield, better reload, and a rangefinder).
It’s by no means better than the KV-220 – that’s for sure.
IS-6 should stay at 7.7, I agree.
The T-54s are quite mediocre for their BRs. I wouldn’t be opposed with moving it down along with the Leopard I unless the strong 8.0s move up (Vickers Mk.1, TO-55, and Type 69, though I’m sure they’d become mediocre at 8.3 – at least the TO-55 and Type 69).
6.0 without any changes is fine. 6.7s at 6.3 would make sense.
It’s not THAT good.
It’s very strong at 7.7 so I could see it being 8.0, but 8.3 is too much.
It’s armour would be meaningless at 8.3 where DM23 starts becoming common.
Its APDS only has ~144mm of 60 degree angle pen so it’s barely any better than 105mm APDS found at 8.0/8.3.
Coupled with mediocre spall, shell shattering, and a 15s reload…
Put it at 8.0 and buff its reload to ~12.5s.
Again, way too high.
It’s armour is very good at 7.7 but at 8.3 it would once again be meaningless… and it doesn’t have a stabilizer nor reverse speed to rely on, unlike the Conqueror.
It should be 8.0 in my opinion.
Agreed.
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