Ground Vehicles **PROPOSED** RB battle rating changes

[rainy2000]

KV220 to 6.3 and increase its reload speed to ~6.7s.
Keep in mind this is all while a lot of the good 6.7s / 7.0s get moved up.

Its armour is incredibly good when angled, even being able to tank long 88 with the hull.

The turret cheeks are extremely angled, with the large breech eating all the shrapnel and spalling.

The cupola is impossible to penetrate reliably other than with rounds greater than ~160mm, which is only useful if the round has enough explosive filler to do a reasonable amount of damage.
Panther gun is pretty much pointless, Sherman 76 is also quite pointless, even the Tiger’s.
M82 shot works fairly well from what I remember, though.

The only place you can kill a KV-220 from the front is via turret ring, though that’s quite a small weakspot.

There’s NO reason why this should be the same BR as the 75mm Jumbo, let alone be allowed to face 4.7s.

Keep T20 at 6.3… there’s a good reason why it’s used to statpad.

It’s smaller and has MUCH better acceleration than the T25. (Arcade is a bit of a different story, though…)
If anything, lower the T25 to 6.0 since its armour is abysmal for the most part, with no stab, mobility, or good reload to compensate for it.
Hell, even the T1E1 90mm is more responsive than it, and apparently it would still be 0.3 BRs lower than it for what it effectively is just as usable armour.

The T-34-85 STP is at the same BR despite having a worse reload, worse gun depression, worse acceleration, bigger silhouette, and worse reverse speed… for a bettee round, two rear smoke barrels and slightly more usable armour.
Put the T-34-85 STP at 6.0 too.

Why are you moving up the M551 (76) but not the fully-stabilized Centurion Mk.2?

[WARTURTLE09]

@UniqueScorpions-live

have exactly one question.

Have you played anything you are referring to?

Well you have played them and it doesnt seem like they need a buff at all do they ?

You are doing just fine with them. Statsharks gives ratings and colors based on the median stats of the said vehicle. Most bad to okayish tanks get a blue rating with 2kd since the tank performs bad most of the time. 2kd being just green on the kv1s shows that the median stats are rather high and the tank is doing fine.

[rainy2000]

Either that or most players using them don’t know how to use them properly.
For example, Abrams.

[WARTURTLE09]

Also even without these stats its like common knowlage to know that kv1s are seal clubbers lmao. Wanting to drop them down is insane

[rainy2000]

The only one I can sorta understand is the 4.7 KV-1 considering it has to face 5.7s such as the Tiger H1.

Its performance / armour is similar to the KV-1E from my experience.

[WARTURTLE09]

I mean 3.7 and god forbid 3.3 against kv1 tho

[rainy2000]

I guess. Maybe the KV-1E / KV-1B should go to 4.7…
Then again, the Swedish KV-1 Prem is 4.7 and looks to be better but not as usable as the KV-1C.

[_Renzo]

I disagree hard with that the T1E1(90) is worse than the Tiger H1, however if it deserves to be moved up to 6.0 is still debatable (I’m personally still unsure).

[rainy2000]

I’d say they’re just as good.
T1E1 has better mobility and ~30mm more penetration, but Tiger H1 has better armour and one-shot overpressure APHE.

If T1E1 90mm should go to 6.0, then I think so should the Tiger H1s.

[_Renzo]

Yeah the mobility, especially the reverse, is why I enjoy the T1E1(90) so much. It kind of feels like playing a high tier MBT in terms of mobility.

[rainy2000]

Only the acceleration (and armour / top speed) is lacking, but you can usually work around it at 5.7 (unlike at 6.3 with the T25).

[spartinwarrior64]

@Milashny_Koteyka

I dont really see why. It has huge size, slow movement, old HEAT shots that arent even FS. Its strong with reload time sure, but making it 8.7? Id rather play Leopard 1a1 and T-62. I dont see any reason this prototype must be this high.

Let me put this another way: WHY DO I HAVE TO SEE THIS STUPID THING IN AN M47 OR FV4202
You see my point?

@Milashny_Koteyka

well it also does not have 120mm cannon as leopards, so…

2K has a Leopard 1 turret and has 6.7 seconds, which suggests that the 120 and 105 have the same reload in the Leopard 1 turret, and then when we look at the 2AV, which is basically a Leopard 2A0, it has 6s reload for a 105 and as we know the 2A4 has 6s so I bet TTD will get 6s

[Stoic]

complains that the kv-220 has sub par armour at 6.0 and claims the t1e1 has enough volumetric troll spots that it should be moved up to 6.0

[MeanBROSofD72805]

@UniqueScorpions-live

It’s no worse than a Tiger II fighting 5.7s, unlike the 5.7s, most 3.0s can actually frontally kill the KV-1E with somewhat skillful aiming.

Yeah but, 98% of the time, they’ll have no idea how to pen it. And honestly with the same logic, the Zis-5 and KV-1S should go down too.

[rainy2000]

@Necrons31467

Churchill III

I think Churchill III would be too strong for 3.7

[rainy2000]

@UniqueScorpions-live

A 0.1 sec faster reload. (Odd given its two loaders for one gun…)

You’re forgetting the fact that the T1E1 90mm has only 4 rounds for its first stage.
After that, its reload turns into ~10s, which is very below average compared to everything at 5.3-6.0 other than the 122mm found on the KV-122 (which all have no first-stage, including the KV-220).

If you do somehow still have your ready rack up, that’s just one extra place where they can shoot to instantly kill you too.

@UniqueScorpions-live

All around 100mm armor, but with many weak spots, even when angeling.

What weakspots???

What, the machine gun port?

Even with the best overpressure round for a heavy tank at 5.7 (Tiger) barely does anything :

The only true weakspot is the turret ring, but it’s quite small and easy to hide, especially with bushes.
It’s also unreliable with anything other than overpressuring APHE, such as PzGr found on the Tigers:

Barely anyone plays T1E1 90mm in Squadron Battles at 6.0, let alone 5.7.
Quite a lot of players play the Tigris or Tiger E for 6.0 Squadron battles, though most people (if they have it) run the KV-220 despite it being ‘underpowered’… I wonder why?

[UniqueScorpions-live]

Well in the instance that they move the 6.7s up that I mentioned, then it could remain at 6.0, and get a 6.7~ secs reload.

As it stands right now, there is a lot of guns 85mm or bigger, or even the long 76mm that can put holes in the welds on the turret…

I blame an old bad damage model for this, but if it’s model got updated, and it’s reload speed was buffed, it should stay 6.0

Yeah the T-34-85 STP is a weird one, but again, if we’ll preforming 6.7 heavies get bumped to 7.0, it should stay at 6.3.

Centurion mk.2 is weird, it’s not very mobile, and it has decent armor, but it shines in the gun department. It reminds me of a slightly more mobile Black prince

[UniqueScorpions-live]

You do realize I am an exceptional player right…?

I’m almost always 1st on my team despite the nation.

[UniqueScorpions-live]

Again, if the vk 30 moves up, and the other 5.0 bully tanks, then the KV-1E would be fine at 4.3

The list isn’t perfect I know. It’s just what a single man can do with his spare time.

[WARTURTLE09]

I dont even think you read what I wrote.

@UniqueScorpions-live

You do realize I am an exceptional player right…?

I’m almost always 1st on my team despite the nation.

We are not grading your performance here we are grading the general stats

@WARTURTLE09

Statsharks gives ratings and colors based on the median stats of the said vehicle. Most bad to okayish tanks get a blue rating with 2kd since the tank performs bad most of the time. 2kd being just green on the kv1s shows that the median stats are rather high and the tank is doing fine.

Your expectional performance as you call it only being 1.4k rating shows that the general playerbase has great median stats