leave the M4 (3.7), M24, Calliope, all of the Panzer IV and SD.KFZ,T34(1940), Cromwell 1 and Ram II in their place they are not op yea new players struggle because they don’t know were to shoot all of this tanks can be one tap from the front with the average gun (except maybe the Ram)
germany 4.3 its good but always uptiers in 4.7
help balance out new players is to make them play between them until they reach Lvl 10-15 i feel sorry for them when i go back to low tier to escape top tier cas and i see so many lvl 100 massacre them its unfair for a player that just started seeing someone with more than a 100 hours in game they will destroy him
B1 Bis gets uptiered to 3.3, good luck with your 57mm of penetration at 100m I guess? Can’t even penetrate a Pz IV F2 with track armour, a vehicle all German players love to tell me has terrible armour.
M14/41 gets uptiered to 3.0, good luck with your 47mm of penetration at 100m too? Those M4A3 105 squads will eat you for breakfast.
By moving all of these vehicles at once it maintains their internal balance but also helps out those low tier vehicles.
You want to jump the Pz 4 G up 2 steps?? Seems harsh. Should stop at 3.7
The J, with it’s terrible turret rotation should stay at 3.7. It’s a side-step vs the G. The slightly more powerful gun is offset by the drop in turret rotation.
Another 2-step jump. 4.0 might be more appropriate.
Agreed, but it should get some of the better rounds its currently missing just so that its not too reliant on ever reliable HEAT rounds for dealing with heavier armor.
Giving it an MG 34 mounted behind the shield on the roof would also be nice, but this should happen regardless of if it goes up. I see no point not letting vehicles have their roof MGs.
10.5 cm Pzgr. Rot (APHECBC)
Slightly lower muzzle velocity than the current APHE round, but has sufficient peirce a KV-1 side-on at close range. The explosive mass is slightly greater, and it also has the benefits of being a “-CBC” round.
10.5 cm F.H.Gr. F (HE)
Greater explosive mass and velocity compared to current HE round.
While there are also HE-DS and APHECBC-DS rounds, they would only make sense for a late model StuG 42 G without a muzzle break.
Assuming they never give them filled M61, then sure. Otherwise they’d need to go to 4.0 with the mid-production Shermans.
Ideally, the Centaurs I and III would added in-place of the current Cromwells if they get moved up so that its no loss to line-ups.
The Italian Pz.IV G has the L/48, making it essentially a faster Pz.IV H without hull skirts. If you’re going to move the Pz.IV H to 4.3, the Italian Pz.IV G has to match it.
It needs to go to 4.3-4.7. That quick of an reload combined with large caliber APHE and HE is still going to be broken at 4.0.
No way the H should be at 4.3
G at 3.7 and H at 4.0
It’s not like the vehicles are overperforming, and you can’t base the BR solely on the players at 2.7
Do you really want the H facing Jumbo 75? That’s nuts.
Since many players have advocated for British tanks to get this round. It’s not outside the realm of possibility. Since we’re already entertaining a hypothetical BR change, might as well account for a hypothetical ammunition buff.
I’m just calling for consistency within the logic of his own proposal.
In the official balance thread that just closed the other day, I personally suggested that the Pz.IV H and Pz.IV G (L/48) only go up to 4.0, and for the regular Pz.IV G to only go up to 3.7.
It’s not about overperforming it’s about spacing them away from 2.0 to 2.7 tanks. 1.0 uptiers are incredibly painful for this bracket, especially for people just learning the game.
Too many losses frustrates people and could cause them to leave. I’ve personally had a dozen friends join the game and give up because of balance issues at low tier.
Are you including the short barreled models in that statement?
Assuming we’re only talking about the longer barreled versions, I’m generally in agreement. Only one I would leave be is the F2 since it’s a bit of a glass cannon. I know the gun is really strong for its BR, and is technically the most mobile of the long-barreled Pz.IV’s, but it does all come at the cost of armor, meaning most lower rank vehicles can still fare well against it.
I’m not sure the Pz.IV J needs to go up either. Ig you could do that, but then its back to the same issue of being a worse Pz.IV H at the same BR.