Ground Vehicles **PROPOSED** RB battle rating changes

Naaaah its not usseles brooo, i like the german apds

No problem xd

Tbh that sounds like 8.3 tank xd, remember that the t95 doesnt even have a one war stabilized one, the stabilized gun is always a good advantage for a fast attack

Naaaah the xm800t is not nerfed, it is really good, as i said i even use it at top tier and is such a good tank for rat

Tbh, 90% of the times the object have the advantage,sine u can also tank some shots because of the overpen xD

Aaaaand thats why they should ad good AAA’s for every nation

Ayo, T-72 is really but really good believe me, i love it because is really easy to use, also if a enemy is hiding and he shows the mg u can just load an HE, use the lrf and u will destroy the enemy duento the powerfull HE

Oh,my bad my bad, anyway, tbh the mbt70 is pretty bad, it was irl and also in game,u have good speed and u can move really fast yeh,but u have such a big profile, bad ammo and also u dont have any armour,the kpz70 atleast is a lil bit better with better engine and the best autoloader

I’m pretty sure the 122 is too large to do anything similar to what you mention.

Your best bet is the machine gun port, but that’s trolly in its own way.

Very nice tank.

Well you and I rather skilled players.

Last night me and buddies were playing the hell out of the T29, since the brs seemed to be mostly 7.3 last night.

And I can’t remember what exactly shot me with heat on the front of the turret, where the ammo is, but it didn’t even hurt me.

I think it was a Type 60? The little m50?

The machine gun port is also not particularly trolly. Unlike on the Jumbo, the area immediately around the port is normalized, and quite large. You have to aim for the very edge of the normalized area to get volumetric trollery.

It also doesn’t have the tripled stacked armor (Just 30mm + ~152mm), so you can just aim at the machine gun itself without fear of some nonsense happening.

Would you like to test your theory?

Given that I don’t have an IS-6, that would be impossible. The IS-2s are too weakly armored to stand in for an IS-6, and the IS-3 is too slow. However, I don’t have to, I’ve played the Soviet heavies at that BR since the T26E5 has been added. They’re a tougher target than most, but hardly impenetrable, and the 122mm’s generous filler makes the cupola and hull corner shots much more reliable.

I also don’t think a 1v1 is a particularly useful metric to judge tanks on. Being able to focus solely on a single enemy in a known tank is pretty far removed from how my engagements in ground RB usually go. I almost always engage targets that either don’t know I’m there, or are caught off guard or otherwise at a disadvantage (Just fired, etc). Driving out in front of someone who knows I’m there and is ready to fire is a very risky gamble that I generally don’t tank unless I have to, and thus not a reasonable way to establish relative strengths.

no way bro. Like fr, i dont hate it at 8.0-8.3 but when its 8.7-9.3 its pure suffer.

Well it makes some sense, tho T95E2 has at least better protection than Type69. So its questionable. However its obvioous that stabilized T-54s at the same BR as regular T-54s is funny af for china. But no one claims china bias :(

685s arent that regular at RB so i cant say if its regularly that you overpen them, but hey that sure can happen xD
Still it has worse protection and its not that versatile as 1a1

They have them tho. Its just that killing planes isnt the main targen in Grounds, so if thou cant stand for yourself its bad.

Yeah T-72A was funny grinding to the top with HEs, but later models lack such ability as 2a4s/M1s are not that easy to get kill with HEs.
Still, i also played much on it and i believe that OF-40 and AMX-30 Super are much superior to it in game balance`s way.

Why i dont believe so. It has one big disadvantage that is its APFSDS performance against angles, but it is SUPERIOR mobile, with fast reload and some funny survivability. It also is a trouble for any cannon that shoots APHE and early HEAT. Plus crazilly fast turret. It is basically a polar opposite of t-72A xD
I find it pretty decent tank

All Type 90s should not have to face 12.7, and should in fact be lower in BR than 11.7, especially because it only gets JM33, with 480mm of pen. Oh and don’t forget that the TK-XP is at 12.0, with pretty much the exact same stats as the Type 90, just with gen 3 thermals (Type 90s get gen 1) and still the same JM33. Also, Type 81 is heavily overtiered (yes, it has an insane missile but also no radar).

They were fine at 11.3 IMHO. They have really good reload, an okay shot, but their armor isn’t that great and the thermals suck as does their zoom.

They’re 12.0 material every day of the week, if not 12.3

They’re the fastest mbt.
They’re the fastest firing mbt.
They have great zoom.

And 480mm pen is enough to deal with everything easily except the Leo2a7s.

They have virtually no zoom.
Their armor is barely even there because GJN doesn’t believe they have armor.
They’re not that fast.
Their main shot is “not enough to deal with everything” and especially in frontal engagements is quite lacking.

Seriously, the type of argumentation you engage in constantly could be used to argue why the 2s38 should be 13.0. It’s dishonest, leaves out weaknesses and downsides, and overexaggerates strengths. Hell you could use it to argue that some WW2 stuff should be at that BR because “they have enough pen to pixel shot some modern MBTs from the side.”

Type 90s have absolutely terrible zoom.

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is that even a downside?
I struggle lot with Leopard 1 because of useless overzoomed optics, so having no zoom seems better to me than too much zoom. Especially on city maps

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Type 90 has base 9X zoom, so far too much actually. For reference, Leo 1 is 8x iirc.

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73 km/h
And the highest acceleration due to low weight.

Yes they have low weight irl. They’re designed to fight in the mountainous terrain of Japan.

They have plenty of pen, just as Russian tanks technically do, despite Russian tanks having armor vs the type 90/10 being a mobility king.

You just want to bully with ease again.

Also, it has zoom, I think you mean to say it has no zoom levels?
Well that’s realistic.
Warthunder makes tank battles seem like cqb when in reality they aren’t

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Type 10/TKX is bad since literally BVM has same acceleration or even better so that makes no point.
Secondly shitty transmission
Thirdly it bleeds so much speed if you even slightly turn
list goes on…

Niki/Ps 183-1 Ground RB 3.0 → 8.0 worse armor than the T-126 but too fast and swedish bias, needs to go up now

Armour is almost as good as M1A1.
Not sure why people think it’s bad.

It should stay at 11.7 or even 12.0.
I don’t think its fair for a mobile 4s reload MBT with good turret armour, gun depression (via suspension controls) to lol-pen any 10.3 / 10.7 NATO MBT.

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I remember funny days when teams were infested with Fuji at 11.3 and just lolpenning common vehicles in downtiers like TURMS, 80B, M1 and 2A4.

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T-72B3A
12.3 → 12.0
This tank is the T-72B3M with the relikt-side bags removed and ARENA added at a whole 1.0 above it, This makes no sense, Even in the base scenarios APS is not worth a 1.0 br jump

M1A2 and M1A1 HC
12.0 → 12.3
This thing has the same performance as several 12.3 and 12.7 tanks, It has fast reload, good armor, Great mobility and a top tier dart

IPM1
11.3 → 11.7
Ditto reasons as M1A2, Incredible performance for their br that just puts all other same br tanks to shame

BMPT, BMPT-72
11.3 → 12.0
This thing is plain disgusting at its br, Broken survivability and firepower

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