Ground Vehicles **PROPOSED** RB battle rating changes

Then you’re not playing these sorts of tanks optimally, and thus can’t really speak for their balance.

To me, there’s no difference between someone who plays like this, and someone who plays their Nashorn on any map, and thus willfully takes it brawling on Advance to the Rhine, and then complains on the forums that the Nashorn is woefully underpowered.

You’re taking a vehicle outside of it’s intended niche, where it is most effective, and then complaining that it can’t perform well. Then you’re demanding changes that would allow it to perform outside of it’s niche, with the knockon effect of making it overpowered within that original niche.

Agreed, so don’t play it there. Or, rather, don’t first spawn it. The longer the game goes on, the fewer top tier tanks are going to be roaming around, and the more likely people will be stuck in lower tiered tanks or lineup fillers with weaker guns.

When I’m playing a lineup with a BR sensitive tank in it (Say, 4.7 UK with the Churchill VII), and I end up in a full uptier, I spawn other vehicles first. I save that heavy tank until a later spawn, where odds are better it’ll run into weaker tanks it can handle. It’s still not going to perform like it can when it’s top tier, and I don’t delude myself into expecting that it will be able to.

I understand the fact that such vehicles will be very bipolar depending on the matchmaker, and that’s infinitely preferable to them being balanced around being uptiered. See the PUMA and BMPT when they were released for examples of what happens when a tank with very strong armor and weak firepower is placed at a tier where it’s firepower doesn’t hold it back.

Soft maybe. I’m open to changing it’s soft stats to help it settle at it’s BR. That means I could see it getting a slight reload buff and/or the upgraded 85mm shell. But I don’t know if it would be balanced with those at it’s current BR. I’d need to have hands on experience with it. I’m just leery because I remember how it was with it’s original BR, where it was hands down the most overpowered tank in the game (At the time). It’s why people are so sensitive to giving it buffs, we’ve seen that thing ruin the entire BR bracket before, we don’t want to see that again.

Not really. BP is 5.7 materiał compared to centurion mk.1

How isnt it? We’ve gone over this in great details. There’s many pros the Bp has the kv-220 doesn’t.

It’s reload and APDS pen alone make it far better. Add on smoke grenades, and better turret traverse, with the same armor practically

The kv-220s og br was like 5.0 or 5.3

I wouldn’t ever consider putting it that low.

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The amount of sweat from that guy can’t even be measured lol.

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Sounds like most tanks are useless in a up-tier and players are cherry picking games to play…am right?

I advocate for the uptiering of the T58, Turm III, the 12.0 Abrams, SAV 20.12.48, the PZH2000, the OF-40 MTCA, the Gal Batash, the downtier of the TURMST…and so on.
Do you honestly think I’m saying the KV-220 is at the very least fine at 6.0 the way it is purely because it’s a Russian vehicle? 😅

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What, no longer taking his word for gospel now that he has a differing opinion to yours?

Please no, The Gal Batesh is one of the few actually good/cool/interesting things remaining in the Israeli tree :(

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Unfortunately the trolly turret armour, 6.7s DM63, decent mobility (for an M60), gun depression, and ESS+Thermals makes it quite oppressive 😅

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The issue is low post pen effect and mobility.

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But it’s not fine at 6.0

Played again last night a few matches. All were 7.0 again…

Making the ratio of matches I’ve gotten into roughly 47.3% 7.0 matches, 43.8% 6.7 and the remainder being 6.0 matches.

Why does the Turms T needs to go down?

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I’d rather have those two over 1.8x the mobility. And a weaker pen round.

Because in affect I can hit ammo / hit the gun or a myriad of other things with ease.

And this is where you become so off topic, I’m not going to respond :)

That is good that You might prefer it but overall KV-220 is less situational and more versatile

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It is, and the raw performance and stats prove it.

Playing the Jumbo 76 must be horrendous then.

Its UFP is much weaker than any of the other current Russian 10.3 MBTs, such as the T-72B, T-72B (1989), T-80UD, and even the T-64B (which also has a 6s reload):

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T-72B:


T-72B (1989):

T-64B (Gets add-on Kontakt-1, which gives it roughly ~10mm more KE protection since at least two ERA blocks usually trigger):


You can sometimes even penetrate it with M774, found on the M1 Abrams, though it’s a lot more comfortable with 105mm DM33, DM63, and 120mm DM23.

For just GEN 2 Thermals, I don’t think that’s worth it.

How is one less situational than the other?

BP has -10 gun depression and technically can play in positions that totally nullify its weakness.

Mobility is the only true pro the kv-220 has, and it’s only in forward

In what vehicle You are going to get to the point faster?

In how many maps You are able to reliable use it not to just sit in one place and get max 1 kill?

APHE is also a pro compared to BP, less pen but at least some post pen effect.

Tell me why should I pick BP over Centurion Mk 1?

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  1. In neither will you get to a cap before an m18 or similarly fast vehicle, as we all know blueberries cap for themselves.
  2. Quite a lot of maps require skillful play or good gun depression.
  3. Cent. Mk.1 has a weaker turret, and APHE is nice but not mandatory

Now if you said a T29 vs a Caernarvon, T29 all day.