I’m fine with that.
But if we go with the Churchill III, it would probably go to 4.3, maybe 4.7.
Ram II would probably go to 4.3.
Cromwell I would probably go to 4.3.
An APHE nerf wouldn’t buff solid shot. Regardless, the M4A5 is incredibly good at 3.7, and I’d expect it to be 4.0 before it goes to 3.3.
Tip: Use it’s good reload and high pen to your advantage, and cover up the weak spots with bushes if possible.
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those aren’t even your stats bro, where tf did you get that because those look like the 5.3 stats not its 6.0 stats.
You don’t even own the tank…
Ask @ULQ_LOVER he even agrees it needs some sort of buff, as it consistently sees 6.7 / 7.0 games while despite only having the pen of a 5.3.
As for the panther being equal… it’s not, especially the panther F. Panther G / F should become 6.3s when the 6.7s get decompressed.
SOVIET HEAVIES need to stop getting nerfed so their armor and their guns are inert
The TO-55s best round is APHE because the APDS and Heat FS are crap. It’s not anything crazy.
Again, the vickers and TO-55 are fine where they are.
I can see the Cromwell and Ram II going up to at least 4.0, and the Churchill III to 4.3. I don’t think it’s fair to assume that these will all be OP just because the blatantly underiered T18E2 has M86 and is OP. They would also have much less pen than on the T18E2 because of the shorter barrels.
Thankfully, even if vehicles do have to get moved up, there are many versions that can take their place due to being worse in other regards.
The Churchill III can easily be split into 3 different versions to fill the 3.7-4.3 bracket.
The Centaur I can easily fill the spot of the Cromwell I, even if it gets APHE, on account of the much worse mobility.
Removed:
KV-1E
T20
Will add:
Pz.4s later
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It’s not 5.3 stats:
The pen is good enough all the way to 6.3.
It’s like saying the Jumbo 76 only has the pen of a 5.3 and saying it’s underpowered when clearly it’s not.
And this is in the context that the good 6.7s / 7.0s move up in BR, so what’s the problem?
Jumbo 76 has to deal with the same crap too.
That’s an extremely small weakspot:
If you don’t struggle with shooting there consistently, then there should be no issues shooting for the machinegun port of the Panthers, or their Cupolas, and especially not their mantlets.
They’re doing fine. At least most of them.
The IS-2 (1944) has more of an issue now than the KV-220 ever did.
At least it gets APHE, unlike the Type 69. Type 69’s best round is either HEATFS or APFSDS, both of which are crap too.
I don’t think so.
You didn’t even explain why you think the Vickers Mk.1 is fine at 8.0 😅
It’s better than the Leopard I and the other 8.0s because of the 5s reload and full stabilizer… all while having good turret rotation speed and decent mobility.
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Did you ever finalize that list? I never got anything from you. :P
Vote making AP better - no
Vote making APHE worse - no
One had to be yes to make it fair. Its easy to see, even for a noob like me.
Are you sure they’re shorter?
Spoiler
I mean, you could be right.
Let’s say its penetration becomes ~100mm.
That would still be better than the 5s reload M61 shot.
Churchilll III gets a stab and 4s reload compared to the Churchill NA75, which has a 5s reload and uses M61 shot.
The Churchill III would be objectively better from what I can tell.
Maybe 4.0, but 4.3 seems to make sense considering they would probably be equally as good as the M4A2.
That’s fine.
BR changes…
Though <40mm APHE definitely needs to be reworked.
What I submitted in the official BR change post is what I settled on. Probably shouldn’t have done it as a list, but it’s all there if you want to copy from it.
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Again you don’t own the tank, nor have ever played it. When I got it, 3-4 months back. I had out of 20 games 45% of games were 7.0, 45% of 6.7 and 10% were 6.0 I never got a single 6.3 match.
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Jumbo 76 has a low speed stab, and can bounce 85mms pretty reliably. Has a better reload, and a roof mounted HMG.
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That “little” weakspot gets hit far more often than you think, and I blame an old damage model.
The panthers machine gun port and turret face can be a bit trolly.
Also yes all the IS-2 variants are all bad.
Something needs to happen for sure. 3.7 tanks are 1 popping… while tanks with AP only have to do 5 pin point shots… at same BR is about as bad as it gets in the balancing dept
Churchill III and Valentine IX are bugged atm. Valentine IX has a 6-pdr Mk.V labled as a Mk.III, and the Churchill III has a 6-pdr Mk.III labeled as a Mk.V. Both cases have been reported, but apparently having the wrong gun only warrants being “forwarded as a suggestion”.
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If the Pz.IV H had its gun marked as the L/43 instead of the L/48, there would be a riot and it would be fixed in a month. But since it’s British tanks in this case…
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Since when do you need to own the tank to comment about it?
Sounds a lot like when I played the Black Prince…
should we lower its BR too?
And KV220 is at a lower BR, has extremely good hull armour when angled, has nuke APHE with better angle pen. What’s the problem?
Even then, it doesn’t stop that guy from reaching a 6KPS.
I agree with the machine gun port being trolly, but the turret mantlet isn’t that hard if you aim properly.
For the most part, yes.
The IS-2 is mediocre but it’s not too bad at 6.3. The 6.7 one, though, is terrible compared to the other great 6.7s but also shouldn’t be 6.3 (hence why we need more decompression).
Well, those 3.7s have reloads, and mobility or armour on their side.
The other AP-only tanks may be slightly underpowered, though a lot of them are pretty good at their BRs – for example the Black Prince, M4A1 (FL10) and Challenger.
Not really? Sherman feels very similar without checking, gets stabilizer and a round that 1 pops.
I feel no advantage at all, as even vs enemy with longer reloads, they still get their shots away before your 3-5 or whatever is needed with ap
I don’t like to generally add vehicles I have no personal experience in.
Also the BP is wayyy better than the Kv-220 lol it can easily kill things in an uptier, unlike the kv-220 which massively struggles against 6.7s.
Be logical my guy.
Don’t start pulling this crap
The BP has almost double the pen, similar armor, a quicker reload, smoke grenades, all for being slow.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s good. But it’s very slow and only has AP / APDS.
KV220 is just as good, if not better because of its one-shot potential and mobility over it.
Remember when people talked about how mobility is key? Or at least a major factor in whether or not a tank is good.
For being slow and little to no one-shot capability.
Slow doesn’t really matter until you notice that you typically can’t get into the battlefield before your team crumbles and enemy tanks surround you / pushes up and you get no kills.