He left the balance at home
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On the topic of soviet heavies…
KV-2 (Zis-6) 5.0 → 4.3
The KV-2 Zis-6 (107mm) could probably do with going down to 4.3.
It’s essentially a better gun in the same KV-2 chassis, but… the original KV-2’s reload recently got a reload buff from 30s down to 24s.
Everything else is the same as the KV-2. Flat 75mm turret face, incredibly slow traverse.
I don’t see how this warrants the Zis-6 being an astonishing 1.3 BRs above the regular KV-2.
(Edit - proper formatting.)
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So when you lost a debate… you really resort to those tactics…? Really?
Also you said APC, which I thought you had meant APCR, but I see you meant APC
How doesn’t it have the same firepower? It doesn’t have the same reload if that’s what you mean. I don’t associate that with fire power, because it is an external factor from the cannon itself. In which I quite literally said the E100 reloads faster on a consistent basis, but the IS-7 will only load at a rate of 10 secs per shell for the first 6. Given after the fact, the reload spikes to 35 secs, meaning your actually slower than the E100 in reload, it’s a no brainer.
Except it has a weaker cannon, more weakspots, better side armor. The same reload, despite the kv-220 having two loaders, the commanders hatch weak point, gun breech weak point, lower mobility, forwards, rear, and turning.
Yeah definitely a Tiger E.
lol you were the one who brought up the jumbo and the French tank. Remember?
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Your just annoyed I proved it’s a pretty equal punching match between the 6.0 KV-220 and the 5.7 Jumbo. Typically equal tanks are at equal brs no?
I suggest you an Noyl get your argument on the same page, you two keep moving the goal posts constantly.
I could kinda see it being 4.7, 4.3 would be a stretch.
Can you format it to those I has listed previously?
Adding details such as pen, armor, mobility, etc would be helpful.
I completely understand its armor isn’t good. But it’s not like it’s overall awful stat wise.
When did I lose? As it stands, I’m right and what you said was wrong in every sense of of the word.
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Lmao ah yes, apparently I am wrong about statistical data, surely! Not like they are common fact everywhere, on stat cards on vehicles, etc.
You tossed the argument when you started moving goal posts, then brought up the jumbo /ebr.
You are not making any sense.
I showed how you are wrong about the KV-220 having 114mm armor at the front compared to a Tiger with 104mm.
Yet you haven’t even admitted that you were wrong.
That was our whole conversation. Also about how the KV-220 is practically immune against the US 75mm but for you, having more armor is apparently meaningless.
Yet regardless of the shell, their ratio is the same. Why should I admit I’m wrong?
- I’m not.
- Nobody on the forums really does.
Because armor isn’t the pure factor of what determines a tanks br. It’s a culmination of its abilities…? Which is common sense???
“Practically immune”
Updated the formatting.
As for stats, its a limited GE premium, so this should be taken into account.
My main justification is that it’s a 3.7 vehicle with a different cannon.
There are no other changes to the vehicle, meaning it retains that horrendous traverse and very-much-flat, and very-much-tall, turret.
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Oh, so you’re not wrong that AP and APC shells need at least 130mm penetration to go through a KV-220 but only 104mm on a Tiger? Interesting.
I’ll add it in a bit :)
Much better, but since it isn’t terribly over preforming, I’m gonna ding it down to a 4.7 for the time being. If it statistically drops, then we move it to 4.3 deal?
When you talk about firepower,you count MGs too dumb dumb
The Is7 have more and better firepower
A second cannon (which btw can feel pretty useless) wont cut it when you get a 50 cal that can reach over covers to immobilize and/or directly kill the other dude
Having 2 loaders doesnt mean it automaticly a faster reload btw
More weakspots how…
Taking in consideration youre facing someone flat head on,youre a walking corpse
Plus,you either go in a KV220 or the Is2 early
No lmfao,im still saying that E100 shouldnt be moved up
And i keep saying you keep saying lies
I dont quite grasp what you mean by “Balancing” , by how you want some vehicles to move up or down you just want to kill those tanks all together or making them way too broken
Yes you are btw
With this statement you literally proved us youre ragebaiting
Let me remind you of something that to this day i cant quite understand how is this possible
we got
At the same BR of
While being an absolute demon compared to the BMP-1
You got access to
-ESS
-Nigh Vision
-Gunner sight 3.5x to 7x
-Amphibious
-High mobility
-Really strong gun with an autoloader with a mere 4.3 seconds reload with two plane stabilizer and a single 7.62mm coax gun
All this being low profile making it a monster if you place yourself in hard to see spots,even with bushes on top
Tell me WHY the Obj should be the same BR as the BMP-1 when its better in ANYTHING?
But sure,lets complain about the E100 being somehow “broken” when its not even true
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dare i say even the worse HEAT-FS shells tend to be quite decent. I had a blast in the PT-76 once i got the HEAT-FS, the 906 is essentially the same thing but beefed up. not much damage but im used to that with british tanks.
Oh I’d rather have the APHE any day of the week. It doesn’t reliably 1 tap, it’s about 50:50 but it does far more damage than the HEAT-FS.
I only use heat on a Maus, or similar heavily armored beast that I likely won’t pierce other wise.
Yea i get preferring APHE because of how it ignores Isaac Newton still. i find my MBTs getting hammered by the things quite often from stupid ranges still. very annoying
Which mbts?
8.0 back to 7.7
Its on average slower now. the gearing is much taller to reach 65mph which means on most maps you bog down at about 45mph, not much faster than a leopard 1 or many of the better light vehicles. was an unintentional nerf from me i guess.
its turret rotation is also halved from what it was back in the day. it gets shredded by russian HMGs and is completley reliant on flanking, which is a matter of skill and not imbalance 90% of the time
back to 7.7 as the higher top speed, less stable scimitar that cant do cramped urban areas very well at all in comparison.
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We can retest it in today’s version.