And youre dead
If its shot within range of Spectra, then the Rafale would have to be ignoring the Raptor who’s in range of its sensors.
Are we assuming the f22 has been painted over with a bright orange marker too?
Using a sample size of 1 to make any conclusion is beyond stupid no matter what the subject is.
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F22 has lost to an EA/18g too. Lol
Are we supposed to be pretending its IR signature just doesn’t exist? Or that it is somehow just invisible? Laser-Immune?
Using a sample size of 1 to make any conclusion is beyond stupid no matter what the subject is.
R e a d. That wasn’t a sample size, its telling about the cope that F-22 fans go through saying that the F-22 beats Rafale in every other exercise. Which it hasn’t, because there’s been no other results published.
lets say a 60km AIM-120D shot. not NEZ, but also not far away. from what i have heard, modern radars vs F-22 stealth have roughly 30km detection range. also, RBE2-AA is exceptionally weak for a fighter AESA radar, and would have an even harder time detecting F-22. you said yourself Rafale passive sensors have around 40km range. so what sensors is the F-22 going to alert other than SPECTRA (even then, might not because LPI + it isnt just going to be beaming the Rafale for a full minute)
SPECTRA isn’t just (a) sensor, its all of them, from the RWR, laser, 360 IR MAWS, TV, Radar, everything
So that one single pop up on the RWR is now being checked by everything, where it’s focused upon
Much easier to find something when you’ve narrowed it down to one small spot 60km away, no matter the radar (Again, F-22 is made for X-Band, a choice of scan, but many operate within different bands for acquiring a firing solution)
Not only that, but RWR on the Rafale provides a firing solution for the MICA
The f22 was built around multi spectral signature reduction. That includes IR. To me you seem to be drastically under estimating the value of stealth
Lockheed announced the desire to refit F-22s with RAM that covers more than just the X-Band, meaning currently, it covers the X-Band of Radar
RWR is the only one with sufficient range to possibly notice a 60km shot. and its not like the stealth just disappears, it will still have a notable advantage in RCS due to shape, and the fact that its weapons are internally carried.
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Yeah and that is equally stupid. No conclusion can be drawn at all about the F-22 vs Rafale training performances until we (hopefully one day) get more results published.
Although it is funny watching fanboys of different aircraft fight here.
Source? Last ive ever heard of f22 upgrades was The new defensive suite
The IR MAWS of the Rafale can detect a missile from 27km away. F-22 is much larger and hotter than a missile. We don’t know the exact range of a Rafale, but 30+km is already enough to be defended from the NEZ
The 60km shot will just not accomplish anything against the Rafale, its forced to move in closer
I dont even like f22 tbh. Im a multirole guy i find purely air supremacy aircraft boring.
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Doesnt mean anything though. Thats not how it works
But yes, it is? Do you assume F-22 just disobeys the laws of thermodynamics all of the sudden? Its massive and obvious exhaust plume is noticeable from IR sensors from further away? Because that’s how IR signatures have always worked.
That’s the point I was making with it, yes. We don’t know the results of an F-22 vs Rafale in any way in fact.
Sorry if it looks like I’m saying “Rafale beats F-22” I just want people to realize there’s different ways of making a modern and capable aircraft
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Raptor is the better BVR platform and has more potential in this area. But Rafale is better multirole
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Yeah that sounds about right
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