Hes really not.
He’s got a solid point about IRST
So how do you fire a missile at a Rafale without it seeing you in your F-22? You lock it and-
Boom, spotted, Power of sensor fusion
Spectra has a limited range. And thats assuming it can pick up the stealthiest fighter at its max range at all.
It doesn’t matter how stealthy you are when you’re blasting a target with radar to lock them. Spectra’s range is far outside of the No Escape zone of an AIM-120.
Well the AN/ALR-94 has tracking capabilities. Can be used to cue a narrow beam of radar, spread across frequencies at minimum power required that is very hard to detect
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Thats not how modern radars, seekerheads, or rwrs work. Also you dont notch or multipath missiles easily irl. This is literally the stuoidest arguments youre assuming your way through an argument about the capabilities of one of the most aircraft ion the planet
he plays war thunder though hes practically a fighter pilot!
No need to be rude about it though. He’s right about IRST, they are making IRDS for F-22 for a reason after all
You’re just saying ‘no’ and not giving an actual point. Spectra has a range in the hundreds of kilometers, covering and filtering large bands of radar and IR signatures, and sensing emissions. How does the F-22 lock a Rafale without being seen? It can’t. LPI via narrow beam is only effective at closer ranges; Where you are already seen.
This isn’t a video game like War Thunder where you just mysteriously vanish and RWR only works in 7km or so for balance, this is real life, where jets are given as many ways to detect threats as possible, and the Rafale is exceptional at it.
Not being rude about it. Pointing out the absurdity thats all. Irst works, never claimed otherwise going by available nunbers for the most capable irst system that max detectable range isnt enough.
It’s not just IRST: SPECTRA’s systems have ranges in the hundreds of kilometers. These ranges far exceed the No-Escape Zone of the AIM-120 (The distance of which a missile can no longer be kinematically defeated) and thus mean it would be able to detect the missile and its user long before its able to be struck. In War Thunder, these things are not fused and have ranges in the 7-12km range; Irl? 40+km range.
Rafale’s TV sensor alone holds a 40km range. If the Raptor has a radar-lock on the Rafale from a distance, it is spotted by the slaved IRST, AESA Radar (Do note F-22 is only stealth to X-Band, as its coating is rather specialized, unlike the B-2), and the other sensors it holds, such as a Laser target designator
This is ignoring jamming and other forms of ECM
I’m sorry but this is flat out wrong. one of the advantage of narrow beam is that you can squeeze the absolute maximum range out of it, using the RWR detection range which is also hundreds of kilometers like SPECTRA.
The problem? More range, more power. More power, more obvious to RWR. You’re setting it off like a stage concert.
Spectra’s range is very much uknown, spectra is a defensive system, knowing where the f22 is for a likely limited time frame doesnt help it if youre well within the killzone of a 120d.
Debating the effectiveness or lack there of of ecm suites is absolutely retarded. Theyre the most classified part of any aircraft.
As far as Irst effectiveness against a f22 last i heard thr ef2000s pirate system has very limited range, let alone against an aircraft built around multispectum signature reduction, ive heard some numbers regarding su57’s irst but id take them with a grain of salt.
A Lpl with narrow beam can be done at long range too.
they can use the LPI methods i described earlier to make it much harder. they can also just shut off radar and use the RWR to find the Rafale (if it has the radar on) or get datalink from an F-35 using its EOTS
We know how far its range is that the very least; And it far exceeds the NEZ of the AIM-120. By a long shot. This means you need to be closer to be within said NEZ: Where you are more easily spotted.
In which case they become evenly matched (Since the Raptor has to play it very smart to stealthily attack the Rafale, or have support)
This isnt’ a “Rafale beat Raptor” its a “Rafale and Raptor are modern threats in different ways”
You dont, and it doesnt matter. That 120d isnt going to be shot outside the range of spectra.
If its shot within range of Spectra, its detected, as is the carrier. And then back to square one.