Well don’t dogfight with Gripen then easy unless you aren’t capable doing so
To be fair theres a bug report to reduce the AoA with the limiter off so it cant pull 90° turns qhich would make it a lot less effective.
And then F-22 fans say it had fuel tanks, then ignore the footage showing it didn’t, then saying it won 6 times, to which no evidence was ever shown
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F/a18c will be capable of dogfight quite well. Thats all itll be good at. F16c is also very agile
At least the raptor is officially in service with HMD now
Both Rafale and Raptor are, not sure how that’s relevant but yes its true
Should make it better in a dogfight
True, however, MICA IR go fwooshy
I mean only a moron would argue that the rafale could consistently out fight a f22. You can find a ton of exercises. The reason the rafale win was so pubblicised is exactly because of how unusual it was. Not to mention its well known that the eould handicap f22s, an exercise is meant to train pilots, a curbstomp offers nothing of value for either side
Spectral flares :P
A lot of misconceptions you have;
A. Rafale vs Raptor has not been known to happen often. Rafale vs F-35, yes, where its heavily held its own, but against the Raptor, no
B. Raptor pilots claimed to have downed Rafales, but it was later said to be Emirati Mirage 2000-9s
C. The F-22 was not handicapped. Both were flying to the best of their abilities, both were using nothing but the airframe and its power. No fuel tanks or handicapping, that is a common cope
D. No, F-22 wasn’t there to train Rafale pilots. UAE needed to modernize, and build trust with the USA, that’s what happened in 2009; Demonstrating a modern, capable, and powerful western modernization
They are capable and modern in different ways, debating that leads to blind nationalism
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Fairly irrelevant. You can find exercises of f22 against rafales, m2000k, ef2000s, 16 (eve a ea18g) and im sure more aircraft. F22 im pretty sure has lost at least once to all of these.
This is so stupid lmao, the exercise itself already gave the raptor a disadvantage. Close range digfight starting from a headon merge.
Its called training.
Claiming that rafale and f22 are in any way equal is moronic at best.
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In a true combat scenario the F-22 will be clean while Rafale will have pods/missiles sticking out. But it is still a formidable dogfighter and I think a Rafale and F-22, both on standard a2a combat load, would be a dogfight largely decided by pilot skill
And we have it; Blind patriotism. F-22 handicapped at close range? With its supermaneuverable airframe (according to Lockheed) and its Thrust Vector Control? Oh it can’t use stealth, guess that’s fine, Rafale can’t use SPECTRA either. It goes both ways.
F-22 and Rafale have that 1 recorded match, and 1 recorded result. End of story.
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Spectra isnt half comparable to stealth it helps make up the gap doesnt fill it. And yes the f22 is at a massive disadvantage in wvr. Thrust vectoring or not its a stealth fighter, stealth is the only reason its aa 5th gen fighter. In a wvr fight rafale and f22 dont have a particularly big gap. Also there were multiple drills done that day.
You call me blindly patriotic, im not even american. You are the one trying to say that rafale is in amy way a competitor to f22 lmao
I have seen F-22 fly around with my own eyeball mk 1’s, and I can confirm it is a supermanueverable fighter
Stealth isn’t the win-button you think. How does it get a lock? No IRST, only Radar. Boom, RWR set off. Gonna fire long range missile? Easily defeated at longer ranges. Stealth isn’t going to carry it to a win, it’ll give it the first strike advantage, but only in long ranges where it’s more easily avoided.
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You cant be serious lmao. Literally the most stereoutypcal armchair wt player expert
And that’s IF F-22’s LPI is good enough to stop SPECTRA from picking it up passively, which is a huge IF. F-22’s stealth helps it snipe a long range bomber who can’t evade, a fighter can evade
He’s partially right