Fairly irrelevant. You can find exercises of f22 against rafales, m2000k, ef2000s, 16 (eve a ea18g) and im sure more aircraft. F22 im pretty sure has lost at least once to all of these.
This is so stupid lmao, the exercise itself already gave the raptor a disadvantage. Close range digfight starting from a headon merge.
Its called training.
Claiming that rafale and f22 are in any way equal is moronic at best.
In a true combat scenario the F-22 will be clean while Rafale will have pods/missiles sticking out. But it is still a formidable dogfighter and I think a Rafale and F-22, both on standard a2a combat load, would be a dogfight largely decided by pilot skill
And we have it; Blind patriotism. F-22 handicapped at close range? With its supermaneuverable airframe (according to Lockheed) and its Thrust Vector Control? Oh it can’t use stealth, guess that’s fine, Rafale can’t use SPECTRA either. It goes both ways.
F-22 and Rafale have that 1 recorded match, and 1 recorded result. End of story.
Spectra isnt half comparable to stealth it helps make up the gap doesnt fill it. And yes the f22 is at a massive disadvantage in wvr. Thrust vectoring or not its a stealth fighter, stealth is the only reason its aa 5th gen fighter. In a wvr fight rafale and f22 dont have a particularly big gap. Also there were multiple drills done that day.
You call me blindly patriotic, im not even american. You are the one trying to say that rafale is in amy way a competitor to f22 lmao
I have seen F-22 fly around with my own eyeball mk 1’s, and I can confirm it is a supermanueverable fighter
Stealth isn’t the win-button you think. How does it get a lock? No IRST, only Radar. Boom, RWR set off. Gonna fire long range missile? Easily defeated at longer ranges. Stealth isn’t going to carry it to a win, it’ll give it the first strike advantage, but only in long ranges where it’s more easily avoided.
You cant be serious lmao. Literally the most stereoutypcal armchair wt player expert
And that’s IF F-22’s LPI is good enough to stop SPECTRA from picking it up passively, which is a huge IF. F-22’s stealth helps it snipe a long range bomber who can’t evade, a fighter can evade
He’s partially right
Hes really not.
He’s got a solid point about IRST
So how do you fire a missile at a Rafale without it seeing you in your F-22? You lock it and-
Boom, spotted, Power of sensor fusion
Spectra has a limited range. And thats assuming it can pick up the stealthiest fighter at its max range at all.
It doesn’t matter how stealthy you are when you’re blasting a target with radar to lock them. Spectra’s range is far outside of the No Escape zone of an AIM-120.
Well the AN/ALR-94 has tracking capabilities. Can be used to cue a narrow beam of radar, spread across frequencies at minimum power required that is very hard to detect
Thats not how modern radars, seekerheads, or rwrs work. Also you dont notch or multipath missiles easily irl. This is literally the stuoidest arguments youre assuming your way through an argument about the capabilities of one of the most aircraft ion the planet
he plays war thunder though hes practically a fighter pilot!
No need to be rude about it though. He’s right about IRST, they are making IRDS for F-22 for a reason after all
You’re just saying ‘no’ and not giving an actual point. Spectra has a range in the hundreds of kilometers, covering and filtering large bands of radar and IR signatures, and sensing emissions. How does the F-22 lock a Rafale without being seen? It can’t. LPI via narrow beam is only effective at closer ranges; Where you are already seen.
This isn’t a video game like War Thunder where you just mysteriously vanish and RWR only works in 7km or so for balance, this is real life, where jets are given as many ways to detect threats as possible, and the Rafale is exceptional at it.
Not being rude about it. Pointing out the absurdity thats all. Irst works, never claimed otherwise going by available nunbers for the most capable irst system that max detectable range isnt enough.