The f22 was built around multi spectral signature reduction. That includes IR. To me you seem to be drastically under estimating the value of stealth
Lockheed announced the desire to refit F-22s with RAM that covers more than just the X-Band, meaning currently, it covers the X-Band of Radar
RWR is the only one with sufficient range to possibly notice a 60km shot. and its not like the stealth just disappears, it will still have a notable advantage in RCS due to shape, and the fact that its weapons are internally carried.
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Yeah and that is equally stupid. No conclusion can be drawn at all about the F-22 vs Rafale training performances until we (hopefully one day) get more results published.
Although it is funny watching fanboys of different aircraft fight here.
Source? Last ive ever heard of f22 upgrades was The new defensive suite
The IR MAWS of the Rafale can detect a missile from 27km away. F-22 is much larger and hotter than a missile. We don’t know the exact range of a Rafale, but 30+km is already enough to be defended from the NEZ
The 60km shot will just not accomplish anything against the Rafale, its forced to move in closer
I dont even like f22 tbh. Im a multirole guy i find purely air supremacy aircraft boring.
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Doesnt mean anything though. Thats not how it works
But yes, it is? Do you assume F-22 just disobeys the laws of thermodynamics all of the sudden? Its massive and obvious exhaust plume is noticeable from IR sensors from further away? Because that’s how IR signatures have always worked.
That’s the point I was making with it, yes. We don’t know the results of an F-22 vs Rafale in any way in fact.
Sorry if it looks like I’m saying “Rafale beats F-22” I just want people to realize there’s different ways of making a modern and capable aircraft
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Raptor is the better BVR platform and has more potential in this area. But Rafale is better multirole
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Yeah that sounds about right
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Raptor isnt multirole. Also in general rafale is better. Cheaper to buy, run and maintain + multirole. But as fsr as air superiority, the raptor still dominates and will continue to dominate as long as nothing better comes around.
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Eh raptor can carry a2g and a2a at same time but not much. Which is why I say Rafale is better at it
Its limited by internal weapons only (only amraams ive ever seen on external pylons) really cant justify using it for ground strike role when f15, f18e, f16 and f35 exist.
Well yeah that’s why Rafale is better at it
nah rafale and f-15ex are definitely better 4+
The flying tennis court and bajjet is better, wanna talk about hot takes.
The payload of the EX is only 1,500lb off the MTOW of a Gripen.
I didn’t say ‘best 4-4.5 gen fighter’ I said best 4-4.5 gen dog fighter.