I’m sorry but this is flat out wrong. one of the advantage of narrow beam is that you can squeeze the absolute maximum range out of it, using the RWR detection range which is also hundreds of kilometers like SPECTRA.
The problem? More range, more power. More power, more obvious to RWR. You’re setting it off like a stage concert.
Spectra’s range is very much uknown, spectra is a defensive system, knowing where the f22 is for a likely limited time frame doesnt help it if youre well within the killzone of a 120d.
Debating the effectiveness or lack there of of ecm suites is absolutely retarded. Theyre the most classified part of any aircraft.
As far as Irst effectiveness against a f22 last i heard thr ef2000s pirate system has very limited range, let alone against an aircraft built around multispectum signature reduction, ive heard some numbers regarding su57’s irst but id take them with a grain of salt.
A Lpl with narrow beam can be done at long range too.
they can use the LPI methods i described earlier to make it much harder. they can also just shut off radar and use the RWR to find the Rafale (if it has the radar on) or get datalink from an F-35 using its EOTS
We know how far its range is that the very least; And it far exceeds the NEZ of the AIM-120. By a long shot. This means you need to be closer to be within said NEZ: Where you are more easily spotted.
In which case they become evenly matched (Since the Raptor has to play it very smart to stealthily attack the Rafale, or have support)
This isnt’ a “Rafale beat Raptor” its a “Rafale and Raptor are modern threats in different ways”
You dont, and it doesnt matter. That 120d isnt going to be shot outside the range of spectra.
If its shot within range of Spectra, its detected, as is the carrier. And then back to square one.
And youre dead
If its shot within range of Spectra, then the Rafale would have to be ignoring the Raptor who’s in range of its sensors.
Are we assuming the f22 has been painted over with a bright orange marker too?
Using a sample size of 1 to make any conclusion is beyond stupid no matter what the subject is.
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F22 has lost to an EA/18g too. Lol
Are we supposed to be pretending its IR signature just doesn’t exist? Or that it is somehow just invisible? Laser-Immune?
Using a sample size of 1 to make any conclusion is beyond stupid no matter what the subject is.
R e a d. That wasn’t a sample size, its telling about the cope that F-22 fans go through saying that the F-22 beats Rafale in every other exercise. Which it hasn’t, because there’s been no other results published.
lets say a 60km AIM-120D shot. not NEZ, but also not far away. from what i have heard, modern radars vs F-22 stealth have roughly 30km detection range. also, RBE2-AA is exceptionally weak for a fighter AESA radar, and would have an even harder time detecting F-22. you said yourself Rafale passive sensors have around 40km range. so what sensors is the F-22 going to alert other than SPECTRA (even then, might not because LPI + it isnt just going to be beaming the Rafale for a full minute)
SPECTRA isn’t just (a) sensor, its all of them, from the RWR, laser, 360 IR MAWS, TV, Radar, everything
So that one single pop up on the RWR is now being checked by everything, where it’s focused upon
Much easier to find something when you’ve narrowed it down to one small spot 60km away, no matter the radar (Again, F-22 is made for X-Band, a choice of scan, but many operate within different bands for acquiring a firing solution)
Not only that, but RWR on the Rafale provides a firing solution for the MICA
The f22 was built around multi spectral signature reduction. That includes IR. To me you seem to be drastically under estimating the value of stealth
Lockheed announced the desire to refit F-22s with RAM that covers more than just the X-Band, meaning currently, it covers the X-Band of Radar
RWR is the only one with sufficient range to possibly notice a 60km shot. and its not like the stealth just disappears, it will still have a notable advantage in RCS due to shape, and the fact that its weapons are internally carried.
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Yeah and that is equally stupid. No conclusion can be drawn at all about the F-22 vs Rafale training performances until we (hopefully one day) get more results published.
Although it is funny watching fanboys of different aircraft fight here.