I don’t think Greece is a bad option; it’s just that there’s a better option, which was Chile. Chile is very similar to what Greece offers, but with the added benefit of having vehicles manufactured or modified by Israel. Gaijin chose Greece simply because it has vehicles to fill the top tier. If Chile had had slightly better tanks and planes, the story would have been very different. If Gaijin really wanted Greece, I would have added it only to fill specific gaps, like the aforementioned top tier, or scattered across various tech trees, like what they’ll do with Singapore. I would have left Chile as the main sub-tree. The other option was to add a mix of Chile and Greece, since it offers more than Cyprus. I understand why you defend Greece, since it’s your country, and I would be just as excited as you if Gaijin had chosen my country, but I’m trying to be objective.
You can check all my suggestions for Chilean subtrees; everything is specified there. But in short, I think the most unique would be:
The A-37B Dragonfly with Israeli Shafrir II missiles, even though it’s an American vehicle, is not yet in the game.
the Hawker Hunter Aguila, which has RWR, countermeasures, and Israeli Shafrir II missiles, which is quite unique.
Another option could be the A-36 Toqui, a fighter jet similar to the Alpha Jet, manufactured in Chile and also modernized and equipped with Israeli Shafrir II missiles.
The Mirage 50C armed with Shafrir II missiles, which was only acquired by Chile
The Mirage 50CN Pantera, modernized by Israeli companies, carries Shafrir II and Python III missiles.
The F-5E Plus, which was a modernization by Israeli companies, has Python III missiles and an ELTA EL/M 2032B radar.
The F-5E Tiger III Plus, one of the best in the world similar to the Thai Super Tigris, also carries Python III and Python IV missiles.
And finally, the F-16C/D Block 50+ Late, both of which use Israeli weaponry and even fire Python IV missiles, something I haven’t seen on any other F-16 in the world that isn’t Israeli.
I only mentioned those closely related to Israel, but the list is very long. I’d like you to make a list of Greek tanks and aircraft that have a connection to Israel so we can add some links between Israel and Greece in terms of vehicles. The truth is, I don’t know much about Greek vehicles beyond what I see on the forum.
with all the respect all of them arent unique with the same logic Greece can offers too, I understand that Chile is was closer to Israel but Chile would be better for the South American TT
You could give somewhat better arguments, don’t you think?
What? Chile has a long history with Israel, with plenty of modifications done by Israel via IAI and others. The only thing Greece has done like that with a vehicle modification that would make sense in game would be the proposed M113 upgrades. Aside from that, nothing mayor pops up my mind. Other nations like Germany did more with Phantom and Leopard upgrades iirc (I am not saying it should go to Germany).
As already said, they have done plenty of mods, including weapon integration for aircraft that could not carry said weapon originally. I cannot remember Israel modifying a Greek aircraft by giving it new weapons, radar, etc. to it.
AH-64, multiple SPAA systems i know its not a lot but Greece is Israel biggest ally in eastern Mediterranean
Mind giving examples stating that they got mayor modifications?
Greece and Israel has signed mutual defence contract, they’re both in the blue (western) pack, where else did you expect them to be added? And Israel does need a subtree, Greece makes perfect sense.
Ok, Greece can offer more to the Israeli Heli TT (more AH-64 variants, Kiowa warriors, UH-1, mi35, eurocopters or whatever their name is ), in the air tree can offer same low tier planes that i dont remember exact names, Helldivers, F80, F86, F104, F5, F4, F16 , Mirages, F16, Rafales (with a lot of variants), in the ground TT same low tier british tanks, M8, M24, m60, leo1,leo2,m60,m48,amx30,t80,leonidas, bmp1, crotale, tor m1, osa mk, asradd hellas, (with many variants and a lot more ), We can agree that both countries can be good subtrees to Israel, Greece has more diversity while Chile has more Israeli systems. Overall i believe Greece can offer more to Israeli TT, specially if they add naval (personal opinion)
I just want merkava armor buff
The AH-56 got spikes, radar and other electronics, they are in talks about a huge pack for anti air weapons, and Israeli companies owns ELVO a “Greek” defense company
Yea someone should say to gaijin that 20 tons of armor are missing
As I said before, Chile and Greece offer similar things. In naval terms, Chile also had super dreadnoughts, just like Greece, so they’re tied there. The difference lies in the fact that Chilean vehicles in air, land and sea are more closely related to Israeli designs than the Greek ones, and that’s all.
Or the fact it’s been an accepted report for the last 3 years that the armor values are to low/mislabeled. Crazy how the community points out the discrepancies in its armor and they turn around and nerf the roof armor to make sure lmurs one tap it. And then get the idea that leopards are the answer for top tier competitiveness for Israel’s botched armor modeling.
If we count the number of vehicles modified or manufactured in Israel, Chile beats Greece by a landslide, and that’s a fact.
i know i said it and above
no gaijin should fix first the Merkavas the only tank build to keep the crew safe make it more survivable, and then put non isreali tanks
I’m subtly reinforcing the idea that Chile is a better subtree for Israel TT if it’s also complemented by Colombia (which is already in Israel TT).
Air
Kfir C.10 (Kfir 2000 like the Ecuadorian one)
Mirage M5 COAM (Unique and improved by Israel)
F-86-25 and CL-13 Sabre
F-80
P-47-30 RE
JAS-39 Gripen E/F (From 2027 but possibly armed with Python 5 and I-Derby-ER, Spice 1000/2000 etc.)
Helicopters
AH-60L “Arpía IV” (Unique and with Israeli technology and armament, also previous variants)
Bell-212 “Rapaz”
Hughes-500
Ground
LAV III “Gladiador” (With Israeli armament)
EE-09 Cascavel (Modernized by Colombia)
HMMWE (With Spike or Mistral missiles)
Barak MX
Abir Nimrod (With Israeli Nimrod anti-tank missiles)
Navy
Almirante Padilla Class (Unique)
PAF-III (Unique)
There are many I’m forgetting, but these could fully complement Chile as a Subtree. In fact, even Colombia has better synchronization with Israel TT than Greece or Cyprus.
They are also the only proper user of the Nimrod. Outside of Columbia, I’ve never seen them in proper action by Israel aside from tests. Most of the time they are just in displays for who knows how many years.
That’s right, Colombia had a very strong relationship and cooperation with Israel. In fact, Israel offered the Merkava IV MBTs to Colombia, but due to a lack of political will, they were not acquired. The offer means a lot to those who know about the subject.