Tornado is better than the Viggen though? Better speed, better radar, better RWR, IRCCM missiles. Aside from them both playing the BnZ role the Tornado is just a better jet.
I was saying that the viggen can pull more AOA than the tornado
Yes because the Viggens doing 1 turn from 900kph and dropping to 600 will work so well. Again dogfighting in Sim it can work but for ARB, you’re asking to have 4 people target you because you got slow and if you try to get back up to speed your going to be waiting a while to get up to a speed that will be useful for running away or dodging missiles.
Again in ARB its basically irrelevant. If you’re trying to dogfight your not playing them right. Now for dodging missiles your forgetting a basic fundamental of BVR, whoever sees the other first can force the opponent to defend, the Viggen lacks a RWR that would identify whats pinging you while also having a worse time seeing at distance like the Tornado. So while it can turn to notch before a Tornado its also a lot closer to its opponent which puts it in a bad spot as the Viggen is slow and will recover more slowly than a Tornado.
Not to mention the viggen can only ping in 4 directioms meaning you cant effectively notch unless you see the missile so again its just not going to work for BVR. Its best chance to get kills is to use RB99 like a worse Skyflash (in terms of pull, far better range though) so 7km engagements.
Viggen will beat a Tornado in a Gunfight (though youd be surprised how many times Ive actually won a gunfight in a tonrado)
A Tornado will beat a Viggen in nearly everything else. Especailly if/when it gets buffed with things like a Phimat pod(s)
you are missing the fact that I am not talking BVR, I am talking low altitude close range where your amraams have a very high probability to kill, there is no dogfighting or anything just using decent positioning to get good launches and you will do well
I learned the mistake of trying to BVR a F.3 lol, Viggen radar ping him off somewhere to my right within 45° radar couldn’t find him so i attempted to notch but since i cant see exact angle i cant notch effectively. If it had a better RWR it’d be actually tolerable lol.
Which is why i mentioned 7km fights like i would with skyflash, though that depends on if the Viggens radar decides it doesn’t want to lock the chaff behind the target running towards me because the radar is hit or miss at times.
Haha. Just wait until we have 352 large calibre flares and 432 large calibre chaff
Still hoping the Viggens can get their BOY CM pods, given how trash BOL is for Chaff id kill for something else. Besides not like im losing anything by carrying a massive CM pod, not like im gonna turn that much slower than what the Sky van already does.
Yeah, its why I want Phimat as well. Though… hopefully… THey might finally respond to the call for BOL to be fixed
It did get nearly 900 votes
Not gonna happen until every vehicle has BOL probably
Unfortunately… probably true, but we can still dream
all viggens have TWS even at 10.3
11.3*
AJ37 at 10.3 has TWS, not that you’re using it lol, i guess you could to slave RB24J but most people just turn off the Radar
Oh right, forgot about those buggers
Its okay but its too narrow to utilize most of the time imo
but it has twice as much fox3 and tons of countermeasures
These lobbys dont exist in ARB
Pheonix FTW. It took 2 - 3 hours to complete one of the tasks for the f106, usiing F14a- watching TV, zero effort
Even at TT, Ruski vics deffo dont like the spam