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To be fair, R-60/R-60Ms was used for training purposes even after the R-73 was introduced and should still be in use nowadays.
Honestly, giving R-73 to MiG-29 9.13 and MiG-29 9.12b doesn’t seem to be a problem, as there should be a direct counterpart of MiG-29G in the game.
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I’ve recently got the German 9-12A, and my main issue (besides the FM and fuel usage) is the lack of a good IR missile. R-27ERs are amazing, but you only get 2 of them, which means that the plane loses out on a lot of potential due to it being stuck with 11.0/11.3 level IR missiles.
Which is proven by the Mig-29G, it’s at 13.0 with both of those.
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Problem is if 9-12A gets R-73, gameplay would be almost same as MiG-29G.
Probably the best solution is to give Russia an aircraft with exactly the same loadout as the current MiG-29A 9.12A and give R-73+R-27ET for Russian 9.13 and Hungarian 9.12b.
@Sergeantpwn
What IRL militaries used is irrelevant; All that matters is the manufacturer. You are not a Soviet pilot, you are you.
Demeaning others for knowing about military vehicle history is obviously provocative.
Next you’ll demean Military Aviation History on YouTube.
Vehicle history =/= air force history. Air force history =/= vehicle history.
The 104+ confirmed frags of F-15 is not F-15 history, that’s air force history.
The F-15 being capable of using AIM-9Ls is F-15 history, not air force history.
History is not all-encompassing, and you’d know that if your posts weren’t busy provoking others with insults.
It’s funny how your posts call everyone wanting Mig-29 9.12 and 9.13 to be at competitive BRs where their airframe can be used more often “malicious”.
“Opposing the nerfing of older Mig-29s is malicious bait! They should be copy-paste of Mig-29G and Mig-29 9.13S.” Type nonsense.
I made no argument of balance.
But yeah, keep trying to nerf Mig-29 and claim history is lying to you.
It’d literally be identical, they’d be copy-paste ordnance.
I’m sick of people trying to nerf Mig-29 9.12 and 9.13 and create 5+ copy-paste Mig-29s at 13.x instead of unique Mig-29s.
Mig-29G is unique right now.
Mig-29 9.13S would be unique, otherwise it’d be copy-paste ordnance.
9.13S had r77 and 27ET
R-27 doesn’t matter, and I found no source on R-77.
The point is there is Mig-29G for him to play now, there’s Mig-29SMT that’s under-BR’d due to BR compression he can play.
And there are other mid-life Mig-29s to add that only have R-73 and SARH support to come.
“What IRL militaries used is irrelevant. All that matters is the manufacturer.”
Again proving my point
I reiterate - What you’re doing is being very selective about what you consider as “history” in order to support your argument.
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I love it when people try to use this argument, because people would be crying their eyes out if the F-15C, F-16C, Tornado F.3s, Gripens and the coming Eurofighter got their actual historical loadouts…
There’s a difference between giving planes weapons we already have in game, and adding new and better weapons.
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Never gonna happen, japan would have to get its IR guided bombs and we can’t have that.
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Doesn’t make me any less right.
Exactly this.
I assume what you’re talking about is the AIM120C-5. The reason why the F-15C doesnt have that is because it’s not a step the game has taken yet. The R-73 is in the game, and actually already exists in a fighter at a lower BR than the MIG-29 9-13. Meanwhile the AIM-120C-5, while honestly probably not being a huge step forward in capability, is still a new advancement in technology which the game has not implemented yet.
Furthermore, the MSIP II program for the F-15 was implemented around the same time as the first variants of the AMRAAM reached IOC, so the F-15’s loadouts are actually perfectly historical for a 1990s F-15 (which the C MSIP II is meant to be), the same way the MIG-29 9-13’s should be, a mid-1980s MIG-29 to contrast with the 1990s era R-27ER equipped MIG-29s. The R-73 fits into that 1980s loadout along with the removal of the R-27ER from the aircraft which would only the 1980s era R-27R.
So actually, you just unwittingly agreed with me.
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Was IRL, should be in game. Would even the playing field in a way that makes more sense.
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Thats a rule?
Which rule paragraph was that?
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Went back to the Hungarian MiG-29 to start warming up for the event, but the state of 12.7 and the MiG-29 at this br is absolutely tragical. Every game, you have F-15s and even F-15Es, because 99% of the matches are uptiers. While you have 2 mid radar missiles(compared to top-tier aim-120 spam), and R-60Ms that are the worst IR missiles of its category.
To deny the R-73 for this jet that practically is top tier, is ridiculous. Move it up to 13.0 for all I care, because the situation will only improve for it with the R-73s. Right now its useless considering what it fights against. Which is unfortunate because its a pretty enjoyable jet to fly.
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Remove R-27ER and give it R73.
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Exactly same goes for other 12.7… F-16A for example gets only 9Ls… is it better than 60M, sure, it still eats first flare it sees and it lacks any sort of BVR capability. Atleast with ER if you get below spamraam F15, you can smack him. ADF aint much better, sparrow is trash compared to ER and no helmet for radar slaving. Tomcat A (not iriaf, that thing should sit at 13.3 just because of fakour) gets sluggish 54As, 7Fs on HPRF only radar and freaking 9H, not even all aspect heater. On top of 60 normal cms.
There is probably ONLY iriaf tomcat that doesnt suffer at 12.7. It should change with 14.0 next patch as 13.0-13.7 will be sucked into 14.0.
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it’s funny, because you still haven’t made a good point on how the rest of the aircraft I mentioned would break the game at their current modifications if they had their ‘historical’ missiles that you both seem to larp so much about.