Those are sim brs… no one is talking about sim here.
That would be fine with me… The 9M/7M combo is already on the F-15A, which is at 13.0, the MIG29 is 12.7, so it faces the F-15A all the time.
Problem is, people hate the 9M, because the IRCCM is so much better than the R-73, so good luck convincing everyone else to get on board with that.
The R-73 IRCCM is much easier to counter, and gate IRCCM already exists at a lower BR on a fighter in the Magic 2 on the MF1. So it is a much easier sell.
I do, because this dumb idea would severely affect sim brackets where 29 and yak-141already rules.
Yeah and its infinetely worse fighter in every single aspect exept CMs and fuel and sits at 11.7 sim and i think 12.0? Just for 2 IRCCM short ranged missile while lacking any fox 1 capability as gaijin is unwilling to give it chaff filtering based on already older R-530 having it.
Meanwhile actual contemporary in performance is 11.7 in rb and insane 11.3 in sims (MLD) where it gets to absolute s*it on 10.3 in certain brackets with all aspect R24Ts against planes lacking any CMs.
Only acceptable R73 on 12.7 mig would be TOTAL removal of R27 from its loadouts so it loses its headon capability that cant be flared and HMD+73 on 12.7 is already HARD sell.
may cause more grinding
but why not just add another MIG29?
Lol. You’re ridiculous.
And what about the M2K? That plane has Magic 2s and S530Ds at 12.7. It’s not game breaking.
Then how about you suggest that the BRs be changed specifically in sim instead of assuming the entire discussion revolves around your relatively small subset of the entire game?
Basically sums it up, plus what would happen to the existing MIG29 if they added one with worse Fox1s but better Fox2s? that would kind of mess with the progression I think.
Yeah I agree, maybe a event vehicle?
Still, I think it would be weird to add an event vehicle with a more historically accurate loadout than the actual vehicle. Perhaps they could add an event M29 with no R-73s or with R-27ERs at a higher BR. Idk though
12.3 in sims actually but never gets its own bracket.
It gets 2 less missiles. S530D is unrealistically worse than sparrow F/M (it should be stupid fast on level of ER, just tad bit slower but its fat slow cow). Cant be even compared to ER. No HMD.
it not up to our decision, it depends on what gaijin thinks
tbh I would like to see a MIG29 with R73 and no R27 as ultimate dogfight machine lol
you see, the issue here is. Gaijin rarely does that, they buff this, they buff that, change BR across the board and then its absolutely fked in Sims for good half a year or longer. Getting bracket balance in sims is once per year miracle.
folder 29 under current one
R-60s work fine is a more valid reason behind an opinion in this context than claiming R-60Ms are unhistorical.
That doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things… balance in this game is mostly off of the capability of each weapon system on the aircraft and not how many of them the aircraft gets. IE, F-16C and F-15C both at 13.7, or F-4J UK and F-4J being .3 BR apart, solely due to the capability difference between the Skyflash and the AIM-7F.
Can you back this up?
Well, sim is just a smaller portion of the playerbase. What’s best for the majority isn’t always best for the minority.
*less historical than R-73. Keep trying bud
They are identically historical, a fact.
You can’t make a fact subjective just cause you want something.
No, One was used for 6-9 months as a stopgap, one was used for 15 years and was designed for the MIG-29.
I think you are the one making things subjective here. The fact that you’re still trying to play the historical angle is insane, since historical authenticity is clearly not what you really care about.
sorry but I think it is the worst FOX 2 no? it is only better than those first gen like AIM9B, any aircraft with flares and a functioning pilot could easily dodged
Thanks for proving you’re being subjective.
There’s no such thing as “historical authority” other than flight manuals.
To be fair, R-60/R-60Ms was used for training purposes even after the R-73 was introduced and should still be in use nowadays.
Honestly, giving R-73 to MiG-29 9.13 and MiG-29 9.12b doesn’t seem to be a problem, as there should be a direct counterpart of MiG-29G in the game.
+1
I’ve recently got the German 9-12A, and my main issue (besides the FM and fuel usage) is the lack of a good IR missile. R-27ERs are amazing, but you only get 2 of them, which means that the plane loses out on a lot of potential due to it being stuck with 11.0/11.3 level IR missiles.
Which is proven by the Mig-29G, it’s at 13.0 with both of those.
Problem is if 9-12A gets R-73, gameplay would be almost same as MiG-29G.
Probably the best solution is to give Russia an aircraft with exactly the same loadout as the current MiG-29A 9.12A and give R-73+R-27ET for Russian 9.13 and Hungarian 9.12b.