Mig-29A: 1983.
R-73: 1984.
Your argument doesn’t hold water.
Just say you want its BR to go up and not use R-77s rather than waiting for Mig-29K, Mig-29 9.13S, etc.
Cause 9.13S and 29K can’t use R-77s, but are also objectively from the 1990s.
You seem to really want me to say that. That has never been what I wanted and you know it. You know it because I outright stated it several times. I’ll state it again.
I am talking about a 1980s MIG29 (9-13) with R-27R/T and R-73 that will be comparable in BR to the F-16ADF
Please explain how. The platforms both entered service within months of each other. Those two going together sounds like an argument that holds water to me.
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F-16A ADF doesn’t have AIM-9Ms in War Thunder [R-73’s equivalent missile for USA].
Thus F-16A ADF will always be an inferior BR to that of Mig-29 with R-73s.
No, it will not be, because of the AIM-7M.
AIM-9Ms are also better than R-73s because of the type of IRCCM that they possess.
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2 good missiles doesn’t beat 6 good IRCCM missiles.
I even take R-73s over R-27ERs on my 29G cause it’s largely variety.
AIM-9Ms are not better than R-73s. Both IRCCM methods are effectively equally good.
Once R-73s are off the rail, their FOV is so good that only non-AB exhaust in other direction can reliable defeat that IRCCM type.
AIM-9Ms are defeated even with reheat on, just done differently.
Move the 29 to 13.0 and add 73s to It, as there Is already the yak 41 covering that spot at 12.7, or add 73s tò the 41.
What good are 6 short range IRCCM missiles when the aircraft using them is dead before it gets in range to use them? Long range > short range because long range weaponry can deny short range weaponry but short range weaponry cannot do the same to long range weaponry.
Missiles fired vs. missiles hit statistics would disagree with you there.
You are incorrect here. That only happens if they are off the rail within 1 km, if an R-73 is within 0.5mi of you it is either going to get you because you weren’t paying attention to it, or it is junk because you pre-flared it. Pre-flaring is key to defeating the R-73. Because the IRCCM does not work super well outside of 0.5mi the R-73 gets flared an awful lot more than the 9M, which will sometimes track through an entire barrage of flares.
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Yak-141 isn’t a Mig-29.
Just wait for Mig-29K or 9.13S.
@Sergeantpwn
AIM-9Ms aren’t long range.
And on top of that, any critique of AMRAAMs is criticizing that they’re too low in BR, not that other vehicles are too high.
Also all of my launched R-73s hit, cause I launch them within parameters.
Also AIM-9M is an AIM-9L that shuts off its seeker when it sees flares.
Never said they were. I was saying that the AIM-7M (SEVEN) puts the R-73 in check by out ranging it.
No one was talking about AMRAAMs.
Cool… clearly no one pre-flares you. I know you hate anecdotes but I literally just dodged 3 R-73s within 1km because I pre-flared.
*and then re-activates its seeker, continuing to pursue the target. Which as it turns out is much more effective and results in a much better hit rate, making the IRCCM better…
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R-73 is needed yesterday, the MIG-29A is hot garbage, after you shoot the R27ER you are useless, because the R-60 is a useless POS
With the R-73 will give a little more utility, maybe increase the BR to 13.0, or keep 12.7 and remove the R27ER
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With both R-27ER and R-73 I would say 13.0
With the R-27R and R-73 I would say 12.7.
In other words I agree
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Yes, that what I meant, sorry if I was not clear
It will be essencially the MIG-29G to URSS, and I think is fair
Yet you won’t find an R-27ER.
You will, it’s in an updated flight manual, but it’s there none-the-less.
It’s also known that R-27ER and R share the same electronics.
Come back when they either remove multipath or reduce to 10-15 meters. As of now, its super easy to still multipath missiles, especially in sims so you can always push for merge. 7Ms advantage means BIG FAT ZERO. Only thing you want is blatantly overpowered 29 at its br.
Really dude? I don’t agree with the guy’s proposal, but saying that the R-60 works is crazy, he loves flares more than I love women with big airbags.
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That would mess up the game even more.
What’s needed is decompression.
But the gaijin is too busy doing god knows what.
It’s sad how many people don’t understand it.
If we had USA better in BVR and Russia better in dogfights, both sides would look at the thing their opponent is better at and say that it’s the only relevant thing in air combat, which makes them OP.
The issue is, bvr is irrelevant as long as multipath for modern missiles is unrealistically high and used as balancing factor. It literally nullifies BVR.
It’s no longer the case.
You can multipath, but it’s hard enough to be considered a risk.
In my opinion multipathing should be lowered further to realistic values, but what we have right now already makes BVR relevant.
Even before the multipathing changes, R-27ER gave you freedom of movement. You were safe at high altitudes. Only at low-ish altitudes you would have to hug the ground, because the enemy can launch at you while staying in the multipathing range. You could fly high and launch IR missiles from above at unsuspecting enemies.