Seriously?
How many times do I need to get slammed by an Su-33 till I satisfy your highness?
That is an extreme example.
But something like a Tornado F3 is hard pressed to do much vs F-4s, Mig-23s or F-5s that are common at and around its BR. That is why its maintained 12.0.
Its CM count is also massively artificially nerfed, which is part of the reason its been able to maintain the current BR imo. Yes, it is too low, but I blame compression more than just straight being the wrong BR.
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Justice for all Tornados!
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Come back when you’ve played one
FG.1/FGR.2 isn’t doing much vs these either, they sit in the same family of missile boat regardless
They stand a better chance in a gunfight, but the main weakness is the Skyflash DFs
F-4J, maybe, and that’s a big maybe.
F-4S hell no for 12.0, that would be 100% 12.3.
We don’t need to ultra compress 11.0-12.0 even more than it already is just because 12.0-13.0 is compressed.
Which is a great example of why you DO NOT move a plane down just because stuff a full BR higher gives it a hard time.
I think the Spey phantoms should get aim-9L and get moved to 12.3 as they did have them fitted to defend the Falklands after we took out islands back. Keep the J(UK) at 12.0 but give it the extra sparrow rail
Holy premium cope.
How about no.
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Because of course you can’t recognise an issue without playing the vehicle. I’ve never played the Harrier FA.2 but I can recognise it sucks.
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The extra engine power actually gives the british phantoms a fighting chance.
I’ve won dogfights with F18s, SU33s, F16s, and 1 time against an F15a.
When fighting against other phantoms or mig23s the winner comes down largely to player skill, not the airframe.
The problem is the british phantoms don’t fight other phantoms or mig23s.
With the FGR2 and FG1 basically identical, there is no reason to keep them so. FGR2 should get Skyflash STs and 9Ls but the FG1 should remain with its current FAA fit
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i prefer the look of the FG1 from the landing gear but i agree that the FGR2 should be made to be much more different. at the moment they make each other obsolete.
Supertemp and 9L would make it an ok 12.3, still would be trashed by hornets no matter what though
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Yeah… but we know Gaijin would prefer that, given the FGR2 is british
phantoms are just powercrept out of the meta, this isnt a british only thing. however we do have the short end of the stick with our J(UK) being the worst J variant
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I suppose the Thai F-5s at 11.3 can only carry 2 Python 3s but I still see where you’re going from
I typed a little bit about the F-4J here F-4J(UK) Phantom II. Historically Accurate Missile Loadout and Quality of Life Improvements
Because they let you win.
My opinion of the AIM-9L in general is that from the time it’s not too much “according to data” because the missile can’t do what it did in tests etc. (you’d most likely get him if you didn’t drop AB even with flares depending on plane and angles) , it could go as low as it sees planes with CMs.
For example any 12.0 BR should be able to use it…
Yes it has the “all aspect” feature , that someone still can one button out of it. And as long as they can "one button " defeat it, just push the button , simple as that , no excuses.
And even the stock CMs are flares only.
Having all-aspects at 11.0 is way more gamebreaking , since many planes around 10.0 and 10.7 may not even have flares… but who cares , right?
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